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No citations in "Criticism" section

There are zero sources cited in the "Criticisms " section.Teyaneff (talk) 23:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

There are no sources, but I would argue that aren't required for the current text. Not every statement on Wikipedia requires a citation. If I state that that the earth is a sphere, this can be taken as fact without citation.

I don't think any of the current statements in the criticism section require citation, and could be taken as irrefutable in my opinion. HappyGod (talk) 04:01, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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Cokelessness before Stepan

The article states: "After 1904, instead of using fresh leaves, Coca-Cola started using "spent" leaves – the leftovers of the cocaine-extraction process with trace levels of cocaine.[70] Since then, Coca-Cola uses a cocaine-free coca leaf extract prepared at a Stepan Company plant in Maywood, New Jersey.[71]" Yet, the article on Stepan Company says it was only founded in 1932. Therefore, the "Since then" part is wrong, and the question raises, who and where prepared the decocainated material for Coca-Cola from 1905 to 1932. (Also, it would be nice if the article gave a clearer view on what was the motivation behind "leaving coke out of coke": public anti-drug policies, financial reasons, or something else.) --Oop (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

This Huffington Post article gives a good overview. Maywood Chemical Works began supplying the decocainized extract in the early 1900s, and the plant was purchased by Stepan in 1959. Dlthewave (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2017

This would be added to amend the logo section. Design systems are intertwined with logos to form the brand's overall visual language which is in constant evolution. This change is not limited to Australia—it is global but was launched in Australia. The colour of the disc remains the same but the scale and placement on the packaging have changed as the lock-up is new.

Sommerville supervises global advertising and packaging design across Coca-Cola and it's sub-brands. Diet coke and coke zero are part of that family—line extensions from the original and sharing the same name. He took over that role when David Butler moved to VP of Innovation in 2012. (Butler left coke in Dec 2016) https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbutlercocacola/

In 2017 Coca-Cola's VP of Global Design James Sommerville launched their new One Brand Strategy. It uses the circle of the bottle cap (referred to as "the disc") more prominently in the visual hierarchy of the Coke packaging design system. Their reasoning is that it makes it easier for Coke to further extend their product line in the future.

Scransom (talk) 16:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC) http://www.coca-colajourney.com.au/stories/global-vp-of-design-james-sommerville-launches-one-brand-strateg Scransom (talk) 06:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Please state where in the article and what phrasing you think it should use. Plus, there's the fact that this is a) apparently limited to Australia, and b) actually has no effect on the original Coke (the subject of this article; it's not about Diet Coke, Coke Zero or Coke Life), as it remains solid red regardless. oknazevad (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

(Revisions made to paragraphs above in light of your comments. oknazevad (talk) )

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2017

I want to edit soft drink articles. I want to drink sprite and coke. Coke 0 and Diet Coke and coke life and coke cherry and coke vanilla was good at the point/. 63.92.249.25 (talk) 18:43, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Sro23 (talk) 18:48, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

The second-best known word on Earth

Courtesy, Fox News. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2017

Coca-Cola Ginger (2016–present) – A version that mixes in the taste of ginger beer. Only available in Australia and New Zealand.

to

Coca-Cola Ginger (2016–present) – A version that mixes in the taste of ginger beer. Only available in Australia, New Zealand and China. 13.75.115.223 (talk) 05:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:15, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Cultural Revolution date correction

When the Cultural Revolution began in 1949, the beverage was no longer imported into China, as it was perceived to be a symbol of decadent Western culture and the capitalist lifestyle. When the Cultural Revolution began in 1966, the beverage was no longer imported into China, as it was perceived to be a symbol of decadent Western culture and the capitalist lifestyle. Treeroot72 (talk) 09:01, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Sources

• Chnaged, but not in that way. Clearly, based on the date, the Chinese Communist Revolution and Chinese Civil War were meant. I linked the latter. oknazevad (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2018

Under "Origins of Bottling,"

"The first bottling of Coca-Cola occurred in Vicksburg, Mississippi, at the Biedenharn Candy Company in 1891."

incorrectly lists the year. Coke's website lists the year as 1894, and would be a good reference here anyway.

--~~ashen~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashen21 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

•  Done Good catch, and good source. Added. oknazevad (talk) 14:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Coca Cola quotes by Andy Warhol

I added a kitschy quote by Andy Warhol, to add some flavor [no pun intended] to the Coca Cola article. Sunday 16:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SundaysChild (talk • contribs)

No effect of cocaine in Coca Cola

It should be mentioned that the oral bioavailability of cocaine is practically zero, so any cocaine in Coca Cola in its early days was irrelevant.

--Felix Tritschler (talk) 11:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Did the people who made it know the cocaine was irrelevant? HiLo48 (talk) 11:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Standard size bottles

I can't find it. I search oz, ounce, standard, and other words. Is this in another article? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but given that Coke is sold world wide, the "standard size" is likely to vary across the globe to fit local cultural norms, and is more likely to be a metric measurement. HiLo48 (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi HiLo48. I think Wikipedia content on standard soda sizes should exist. I just saw a documentary called Big Sugar, and it said standard bottles are bigger and bigger. The standard, single-serving USA bottle ought to be mentioned, no? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I guess so, but why just the USA? I hope you realise that more than 95% of the world's people don't live in the USA, and most drink Coke at some point in their lives. For the US bottle, maybe the Coca Cola website would help you. HiLo48 (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi HiLo48. Good point about the 95%. I'm over here in China with that 95%. Anyhow, yes, Coke's standard sizes for single serving bottles might be good content for the article. I think readers would like to know if they differ from place to place. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

And where is the article about soft drink machines in schools? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2019

In the section "Geography Spread" on the Coca-Cola Wikipedia page, it is mentioned that "every country in the world except Cuba and North Korea". Nonetheless, this is false. On December 22nd 2012, Bolivia officially banned and expelled the American soft drink. Please update the Coca-Cola page.

Thank you. Jonathan2132 (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2019

In the section "Production" under subsections "Use of Stimulants in Formula" and "Coca - cocaine", the last sentence reads, "The traditional shape of the bottle is said to resemble the seed-pod of the coca bush, memorializing the cocaine recipe." The bottle is actually shaped like a cocoa bean pod, not the seed-pod of the coca bush. The reference following this sentence even links to an article entitled "The True History of Chocolate". The entire sentence should therefore be removed and it is not necessary to replace it as the shape of the bottle being reminiscent of a cocoa bean pod is not relevant to this section. 76.67.174.120 (talk) 03:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC) Claire

"It is hardly surprising to find that it was under this guise

that chocolate traveled in Europe, from one court to another, from noble house to noble house, from monastery to monastery. But it soon became a medicine that was appreciated for its taste, its filling nature, and its stimulation. Are we shocked to learn that a medicine or drug with supposedly curative powers was converted to recreational use? We should not be, since the same transformation has taken place a number of times in modern Europe and America. The most famous case is that of Coca-Cola, which began life as a patent medicine in the American southland—a sweet, carbonated drink with a hearty dose of caffeine from the cacao-related kola nut, and a measure of cocaine (gone from today’s drink, but the seed pod of the coca shrub is memorialized in the traditional shape

of the bottle)."

The book is about chocolate, however, it also seems likely to be a reliable source for the shape of a Coke bottle. zzz (talk) 04:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

It seems that someone somewhere is confusing the cocoa bean pod and coca seeds. But that seems to be the source, not our reading of it. That said, I still would have no issue with its removal as purely trivia. oknazevad (talk) 10:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Is the list of coke variants exhaustive?

It is not clear if the list is supposed to be all coke variants, or just a few significant ones. Vietnam currently has a coffee variant (Coca-Cola thêm Cà Phê nguyên chất) that is not listed.

Apparently Australia has a similar variant.

References

On the same note, Japan currently (2019) has Coca-Cola Peach. Sorry no links to support this, just personally seen it in convenience stores 202.174.58.161 (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2019 (UTC) Kalisaur

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2019

In the sub-section of "Geographic spread", it is stated that "available in every country in the world except Cuba and North Korea.";however, Bolivia in 2012 banned the American drink (https://www.worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/bolivia-bans-coca-cola-to-celebrate-the-end-of-capitalism). It should be change to : "available in every country in the world except Cuba, North Korea and Bolivia since 2012". Jonathan2132 (talk) 14:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

That is false. Please read up on what actually happened. oknazevad (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Which pictures to keep?

How does one determine which pictures to keep and which ones to do away with? The Time to Llama is Now (talk) 23:48, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing as I saw the article tag. Perhaps just be WP:BOLD? Marquardtika (talk)

Production -> Ingredients

Link to thedailyplate.com is not accessible, please replace it with https://www.coca-colaproductfacts.com/en/products/coca-cola/original/12-oz/ from official source. And that source contains another data that differ from the data in the article: "39 grams of sugar", "45 mg of sodium" and "140 Calories". 93.125.107.51 (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2019

The final sentence under the subheading "Coca - cocaine" is factually incorrect. The sentence states, incorrectly, that "The traditional shape of the bottle resembles the seed-pod of the coca bush, memorializing the cocaine recipe." The writer here has confused the Coca bush (which makes cocaine) with the Cocoa tree (which makes chocolate) - an easy mistake to make, given the similarity of their names. If you look at the source of the sentence, number 76, it quotes a book called "The True History of Chocolate," further evidence that the Coca plant was mistakenly mentioned. Finally, if you google "coca bush seed," you'll see it's a tiny red pod that looks nothing like a Coke bottle; but if you google "cocoa seed pod," it looks exactly like an old Coke bottle.

I request that the sentence be changed to "The traditional shape of the bottle resembles the seed-pod of the cocoa tree." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justin.sofia (talk • contribs) 12:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've removed the sentence entirely; since the bottle is based on a cocoa seed pod, it doesn't belong in the Coca – cocaine section, and it is already covered in the Contour bottle design section. NiciVampireHeart 00:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Coke Zero Cinnamon

The article states that Cinnamon was only available in the US. But I could buy that in the Christmas season in the Netherlands and Germany with zero sugar. KL741 (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit: also for Coca Cola Energy. It does not only have more coffeine as stated to the article, but does IMO tastes totally different to Coke and is way more than just more caffeine. KL741 (talk) 21:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

(and also available since May 2019 in Germany) KL741 (talk) 21:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2020

Please amend the disambiguation hat-note relating the "Coca-Cola Classic" to add the golf tournament of the same name (Coca-Cola Classic (golf)), i.e.:

replace

{{Redirect|Coca-Cola Classic|the college football game|Coca-Cola Classic (college football)}}

with

{{Redirect|Coca-Cola Classic|the college football game|Coca-Cola Classic (college football)|the golf tournament|Coca-Cola Classic (golf)}}

Thanks. 51.6.161.113 (talk) 11:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

•  Done oknazevad (talk) 12:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2020

In section in section "Kola nuts – caffeine":

replace

The case was decided in favor of Coca-Cola. Subsequently, in 1912, the U.S. Pure Food and Drug Act was amended, adding caffeine to the list of "habit-forming" and "deleterious" substances which must be listed on a product's label.

with

The court stated that the syrup, when diluted as directed, would result in a beverage containing 1.21 grains (or 78.4 mg) of caffeine per 8oz serving. The case was decided in favor of Coca-Cola at the district court, but subsequently in 1912, the U.S. Pure Food and Drug Act was amended, adding caffeine to the list of "habit-forming" and "deleterious" substances which must be listed on a product's label. In 1913 the case was appealed to the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati, where the ruling was affirmed, but then appealed again in 1916 to the Supreme Court, where the Government effectively won as a new trial was ordered.

Coca-Cola then voluntarily reduced the amount of caffeine in its product, and offered to pay the Government's legal costs to settle and avoid further litigation.

71.230.16.111 (talk) 06:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Copyedited it a bit, and did some other cleanup in the section, but the additional facts were incorporated. oknazevad (talk) 16:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I had like to buy the world a Coke

What does this mean under the advertising section? Surely it's ungrammatical and should be 'I would like to buy the world a Coke'?

"I had like.." is nonsense, and has no source or citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.37.92.126 (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Coca-Cola buildings and structures for deletion

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2021

The word "Dasani" on this page should be linked. TJK (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Should this controversy be added to the article?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coca-cola-training-less-white/ Thoughts? X-Editor (talk) 20:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Another editor added a sentence about it as part of summary of criticisms under "Criticism". Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 17:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Macedonia is now called North Macedonia.

Please update it.

Since it relates to an event from 2009, the then-correct country name should be used. —C.Fred (talk) 20:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2021

Change Region or Origin from Atlanta, GA to Columbus, GA as this is where the beverage is from. 2600:1005:B11E:20BA:10AB:DC53:83DD:2756 (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The first sales were at Jacob's Pharmacy in Atlanta, Georgia, on May 8, 1886,[15] where it initially sold for five cents a glass.[16] ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

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Dreamworld Coca-Cola

Is there a Wikipedia article about the new Dreamworld flavor of Coca-Cola? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 21:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Fritz-Kola

Could someone please add Fritz-Kola of Germany (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz-kola) to the list of competitors? Much thankings! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.170.148.35 (talk) 10:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Interested in adding a "good works" section

A lot of companies like Coca-Cola donate goods and funds to local causes. Thoughts on adding a section like that? Anyone know of other company pages that have a section like that I could use as a template? TIA Pickalittletalkalittle (talk) 22:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think its our responsibility to make judgements on the positive or negative moral qualities of Coca-Cola's charitable giving, so would disagree with 'good works' as a title.

It is nonetheless the case that they give money and in-kind support to charitable organisations, and I do see it as the role of Wikipedia to document that giving from an impartial perspective. This is about to be very relevant as Coca-Cola has (controversially) just agreed to sponsor the upcoming (Nov 2022) COP27 climate negotiations in Egypt. Robbie Mallett (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022

Remove "Statisticians pointed out the problematic nature of a 50/50 result: most likely, the taste tests showed that in blind tests, most people cannot tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke". This statement was added in 2007 with no citations or naming of said statisticians. Furthermore, knowing the difference between Pepsi and Coke is irrelevant as it is a test based on preference of taste meaning that knowing which is which would lead to bias. 5.151.189.131 (talk) 06:03, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Removed. oknazevad (talk) 08:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Plastic bottle image?

I think we should consider whether the glass bottle is the best visual representation of coca-cola, when most of its products are now plastic. There's a commercial incentive for coca-cola to associate itself with glass bottles as they are less environmentally damaging and therefore less controversial, and I suspect this has played into the image that is displayed at the top of this page. I plan to change the image to the more common plastic bottle unless anybody objects? Robbie Mallett (talk) 10:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

More common where? In a lot of the world glass bottles are still very common. And so are aluminum cans. My objection, more than anything, is the assumption of bad faith implicit in your comment, that the aesthetic choice of a glass bottle is somehow intended to scrub the company's reputation. Since your motive is apparently to use Wikipedia to correct something outside its scope then I would revert as a matter of course. oknazevad (talk) 18:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I would agree with Robbie Mallett. According to Statista Coca-Cola sells just under 50% of their product in plastic bottles where glass bottles represent less than 10% (https://www.statista.com/statistics/254549/coca-colas-packaging-mix-worldwide-by-type/)

It might be best to show a plastic PET bottle as that best represents the product as it stands today and have a glass bottle picture in their history section as this is still an iconic image although from the past 220.245.220.211 (talk) 06:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request

Hello. I represent The Coca-Cola Company and would like to request some changes to this page. Requests are as follows:

1.Under the Criticism header, there is a quote by Bea Perez stating "and business won't be in business if we don't accommodate consumers."

Could we have this portion of the text removed? I feel like it's taken a bit out of context, as the full quote actually states, "Business won't be in business if we don't accommodate consumers. So as we change our bottling infrastructure, move into recycling and innovate, we also have to show the consumer what the opportunities are. They will change with us."

Here is a source for the full quote: BBC

2. After that quote, we would like to add the following information to the section:

"In January 2018, the company pledged to recycle a used can or bottle for every one it sells and to increase the amount of recycled content in its plastic bottles from 7% to 50% by 2030."

Sources to support: BBC, Bloomberg, CNBC

"That same year, it launched a universal bottle initiative in Brazil that gave discounts to customers who returned Coca-Cola bottles to retailers. The initiative resulted in Coca-Cola producing 1.8 billion fewer plastic bottles in Brazil in 2019. Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Guatemala, Mexico, and Panama later adopted the initiative. "

Sources to support: Beverage Daily, Packaging Europe, Packaging Europe, Ellen MacArthur Foundation

"In 2019, Coca-Cola announced that it would be selling all of its products in Sweden in 100% recyclable bottles, and it began rolling out fully recyclable packaging in the United States in 2021."

Sources to support: Bloomberg, Bloomberg

"Coca-Cola has also formed partnerships with Burger King, TerraCycle, Carrefour, and Loop to reduce plastic waste."

Sources to support: Forbes, Beverage Daily, Packaging Insights, Waste Today Magazine, Plastics Technology Online, Recycling Today

3. Also, the sentence that closes out the paragraph reads, " In February 2022, Cocal-Cola announced that it will aim to make 25 percent of its packaging reusable by 2030".

Please change "Cocal-Cola" to "Coca-Cola"

Thank you everyone for your help on this. PolarBear1886 (talk) 15:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, PolarBear1886. Regarding:

1. I don't think the quote is out of context at all. Our reporting of the speech closely maches that of the BBC in context. The main takeaway for BBC was that Coca-Cola chose to emphasize consumers' preferences when outlining environmental targets. The BBC story is much more extensive in coverage about the 2020 Davos meeting than our encyclopedia can handle so we won't give the quote in full. That consumers will also change is a minor point in comparison, per the BBC. That being said, Coca-Cola's environmental targets are given by us as well.
2. I do not think this section should list corporate promises any more than it does now. It gives a key goal announced recently that does not contradict any of the ones listed by you from earlier.
3. This typo seems to have been fixed already.

Cheers. Other users might want to comment as well. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Props for your ethics of not just changing it yourself as this is a conflict but requesting it in the talk page. 220.245.220.211 (talk) 06:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2023

This is my first time submitting a request but it is a pretty small thing, i wanted to change this "Coca-Cola Starlight (2022-present) to Coca-Cola Starlight (2022-2022) because it has been discontinued on August 2022. Sorry in advance, but just wanted to help a little. JPhaseV (talk) 00:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 03:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)