Talk:Cochise

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Where did that eerie photo of Cochise come from?! The last time I checked there was NO PROVEN IDENTIFIED picture of the chief to be FOUND, and the only one I ever saw regularly used to represent him was a painting of a much thinner looking man, with a more distressed expression on his face. What exactly is this new photo, anyone know??

That is not a photo of Cochise but of Chatto

That is not a photo of Cochise but of Chatto [LINK REMOVED! see below] This link gives this same photo and the details below:

Chatto, Chiricahua Apache.

Chatto headed a delegation to Washington for a conference on July 26th, to appeal to the Secretary of War regarding the removal of the Apache from Fort Apache to the panhandle of Oklahoma.

The only 2 representations that I can find that give an idea of Cochise's looks are a photo of a bust and a rather poorly done painting of what he "might have looked like".

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cochise&action=edit&section=new (the painting)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cochise&action=edit&section=new (the bust - which is on the first page of the gallery and looks nothing like this photo of Chatto)

Melohawk

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So why does it present it as Cochise? That's a bit confusing... The photo here of Crazy Horse still says it may be Crazy Horse, it doesn't just label it as him.

I've removed the image until it's verified - maybe we can get more info from somewhere? -- sannse (talk) 08:42, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Painting of Cochise Discovered

A few years ago a fellow in California discovered a painting that the experts think might actually be Cochise. I would imagine if you were to search "Cochise Painting Discovered" you would find it.

Addendum 1/9/06: Sorry about that post in the wrong place. In the current issue of Native Peoples Magazine (Jan/Feb 2006) on page 26, there is an article titled The Great Chiefs- Cochise: Warrior and Statesman. There is a photo of that painting along with a photo of Naiche and you can see the resemblence. It says that "While not proven, Cochise historian Edwin Sweeny maintains that it is probably a true representation of the great chief." Hope this helps.

IT´S NOT CHATTO EITHER!!!

According to my knowledge, the man in the picture is Eskiminzin, an Aravaipa-apache chief. Check the book: Alexander B. Adams: Geronimo- A Biography, great book about Apache wars, there is picture of Eskiminzin. And I agree, there is no pictures of Cochise available.

Inserts

Maybe this is a recent trend related to many pages, but I noticed several phrases inserted into the article (last couple paragraphs, for instance) which are obviously inappropriate and unrelated to the article. They seem to be obscene attempts at beta tags, or whatever the signals search engines look for are called. Is there a way to prevent this other than manual editing?

You're probably right, but short of protecting the page (which has its own problem) the only thing to do is to watch the page (click on the "watch" link to make it easy). With enough of us watching, it won't be much work for any individual. rewinn 19:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Tularosa Reservation

The only data I've found on Tularosa Reservation suggests that it's the Mescalero Res (e.g. http://www.southernnewmexico.com/Articles/Southeast/Otero/BentandMescalero.html ). There's already a wikipedia article for Mescalero but it is a bit of a blend of tribal & reservation information, so the link from this page may be confusing. I'm not sure how to improve. rewinn 19:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How do you pronounce "Chochise"? Maikel 12:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

In regards to "Cheis". I sincerely want to congratulate the Wiki-word for, as usual, conjuring a name seemingly out of thin air. You people are certainly determined on promoting the obscure and the irrelevant. When are you going to concoct another variant for this poor man's name?

Naiche or Naches?

There seems to be confusion in this article about the name of Cochise's second son. It appears in the text as "Naiche", but in the caption of the photo of him and his wife, his name is given as "Naches". If you click on the image, the file summary then gives the name as "Naiche", but lower down in the information given alongside the thumbnail image, the name again appears as "Naches". Is this due to difficulty rendering an Apache name accurately into English?

Solaricon (talk) 22:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, he's also Wei-chi-ti. Right? Don't you just love the wonder Wiki versions of the world? Make up anything you want; then, "prove" that it's "fact".

Cochise and Mexico?

Hi! Your addition to the opening of Cochise seemed a bit unfounded. So I changed "Mexican" to "American", as this seems more likely. Please add a source for any conflict between Cochise and the Mexican government. Best of wishes.--Paracel63 (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch and correction- I was not paying attention to the date at that point, and was thinking of his conflict with the Mexican gov't. Parkwells (talk) 13:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Cochise/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I read somewhere that Cochise was originally interested in obtaining Peace. That it was only a last resort that he initiated attacks. Can someone comment on this. Thank you

Last edited at 20:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 11:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Popular Culture

If you're going to mention that Cochise appeared as a character in a "Bonanza" episode, then you should probably mention its semi-spinoff "The High Chaparral" series. The character physically appeared five times in its four seasons and was mentioned by name many times more than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.31.46 (talk) 20:59, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I've forgotten the show but there's a sci fi show from around a decade ago with an alien they call Cochise in honour of this original Cochise. The alien helps the humans understand the aliens' struggles and lets them work towards peace even though their peoples are at war. It's not a throwaway reference, Cochise is one of the regular cast for two or three years of the show. I don't recall what show or the exact details though. 82.18.205.199 (talk) 02:26, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Falling Skies . Yes, I guess it should be cited too; I'll let someone more familiar with the article (and the true Cochise) do it though (Gcrvo (talk) 18:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC))

Biography changes

@Xatian11968: Instead of edit warring, please explain and provide supporting reference(s) - Mlpearc (open channel) 18:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The Mayor of Tuscon Arizona in a newspaper article for the stated that "Cochise" was a mispronunciation of his true name "Chiz". Chiz means wood, and the great Apache Chief was frequently addressed as "Mr. Wood". "Chiz was so named from being so dull in boyhood, wooden headed like."

References

"That is not..."

Comment 2, "That is not a photo of Cochise...": the first outlink is bogus! It may have been replaced by a spammer, but it takes you to a gambling site, fronted by a small child with a bunny. Contrary to my usual policy of not editing "TALK" pages, I have removed the SPAM outlink as deleterious to Wikipedia rags (talk) 17:12, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Bust by Betty Butts

The bust by Betty Butts contradicts the last sentence of Cochise's biography. I don't know who Betty Butts is, or when she made the sculpture, but could she have known what Cochise looked like? If not, I don't think it should be in the infobox. She is mentioned here. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)