Talk:Cockade
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Spaniard cockade
editThe time-honoured Spaniard cockade was red, like the Austrian one. The Red-and-yellow flag was not the army flag and badge until 1843. Perhaps Joseph I's Spaniard collaborationist army used a red-and-yellow-and-red cockade in the Peninsular War (1808-14), but the Spaniard units that put on fight to Napoleon's army kept on using the traditional red cockade as field badge, edged in white in the case of the 6 Swiss foot regiments on Spaniard payroll. Early in the 18th century the Dutch soldiers in Spaniard pay had used the red cockade along with a green twig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 09:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- In fact, the red cockade was used up to c.1871.
English Civil War (1640's)
editRoyalists_ red. Parliamentary_orange (and sea green in the case of some Protestant Fundamentalist units). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 09:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Great Britain?
editIf we're talking modern times, why not "United Kingdom"? Northern Ireland is part of the UK, but not part of GB. 86.149.0.189 (talk) 23:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Medical meaning
editCould someone add a link to / a page about/ a section about "cockade sign" / "cockade phenomenon" in medical use http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cockade+sign%22&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=countryUS&safe=images&tbs=ctr%3AcountryUK%7CcountryGB THANKS 99.11.160.111 (talk) 07:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
List of various national cockades
editI've inserted a list of the various national cockades, based on the list in the Portugese Wikipedia. Please feel free to add to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.0.15.181 (talk) 06:06, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- In English wikipedia we don't add information without references. - üser:Altenmann >t 03:13, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Altenmann. Great vigilance on your part - the entire article is unreferenced (except for one reference on the "Cockades of the Confederate States"), but you choose to remove this list. So, while you remove useful information, and while we wait on someone to search around for references, here is the list again (colours are listed from the centre of the cockade outwards):
Argentina: sky blue-white-sky blue
Austria (before 1918): black-gold
Austria (since 1918): red-white-red
Belgium: black-yellow-red
Bolivia: red-yellow-red
Bulgaria: red-green-white
Brazil: blue-yellow-green
Chile: blue-white-red with a white 5 pointed star in the blue portion
Colombia: yellow-blue-red
Denmark: red-white-red
Ecuador: red-blue-yellow
Spain (before 1812): red
Spain (current): red-yellow-red
Estonia: white-black-blue
Finland: white-blue-white
France (before 1794): white
France (current): blue-white-red
Germany: black-red-gold
- Third Reich (1932-1945): red-white-black
- Weimar Republic (1918-1932): black-red-gold
- Second Reich (1871-1918): red-white-black
Component states of the German Empire (1871-1918):
- Anhalt: green
- Baden: yellow-red-yellow
- Bavaria: white-sky blue-white
- Bremen: white-red-white
- Brunswick: blue-yellow-blue
- Hamburg: white with a red cross
- Hesse: white-red-white-red-white
- Lippe: red-yellow
- Lübeck: white with a red maltese cross
- Mecklenburg: red-yellow-blue
- Oldenburg: blue-red-blue
- Prussia: black-white-black
- Saxony: green-white-green
- Saxe-Weimar: black-yellow-green
- Schaumburg-Lippe: blue-red-white
- Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt: blue-white-blue
- Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen: white-blue-white
- Waldeck-Reuss: black-red-yellow
- Württemberg: black-red-black
German Confederation (1848-1871): gold-red-black
Great Britain (Stuart dynasty): orange
Great Britain (Hanoverian dynasty): black
Greece: blue-white
Hungary: green-white-red
Iran: red-white-green
Ireland (before 1922): green or sky blue
Ireland (current): green-white-orange
Italy: green-white-red
Japan: red
Mexico: green-white-red
Monaco: red-white
Netherlands: orange
Norway: red-white-blue-white
Paraguay: blue-white-red
Peru: red-white-red
Poland: white-red
Portugal (before 1797): green-white
Portugal (1797-1820): blue-red
Portugal (1820-1910): blue-white
Portugal (since 1910): green-red
Romania: blue-yellow-red
Russia: red-blue-white
Russia (cockade of St. George used by the military): black-orange-black-orange
San Marino: white-blue
Sweden: yellow-blue-yellow
Turkey: red-white-red
Uruguay: white-blue-white-blue-white-blue-white-blue-white
- cockade of Artigas used by the military: blue-white-blue with a red diagonal line
- police cockade: red-white-blue
USA (19th century): black with an eagle in the centre
USA (current): blue-white-red
USA - War of Independence (Union cockade): white-black
USA - War of Independence (Triple alliance): white-black-red
Venezuela: red-blue-yellow
- P.S. One of the references is the encyclopedia [[1]|Nouveau Larousse illustré ]]. The cockades are illustrated at the article under each country. The links to each of the volumes can be found in the Wikipedia article. More references are these publications: Anschauliche Darstellung der Staaten aller Welttheile(https://www.raremaps.com/maps/medium/33232.jpg) and Flaggen-Almanach, 1850, plates 62-64 (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=DK1AAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=flaggen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4-I364JTNAhXC1hQKHdLpA34Q6AEILDAA#v=onepage&q=flaggen&f=false).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.0.15.171 (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for biringing an attention to the fact that the whole article was unreferenced. In fact it was in this state since as early as 2006. I deleted the whole text. I don't want to even start checking what kind of historical errors it may contain. If you are a fan of the subject, do it correctly. Referencing is the most fundamental policy of English wikipedia, and your irony about my vigilance is gravely misplaced; obviously I was not vigilant enough. - üser:Altenmann >t 02:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- I would tend to agree. It is much easier compiling a list from trusted sources than to fact-check every item of an usubstantiated one. Just from a cursory glance I can see that the listing for the French Napoleonic army is incorrect: The revolutionary insurrectionists used the traditional red-blue cockade of Paris; later this was put on top of the Royalist white cockade on the existing army uniforms to create a blue-red-white tricolor (not the same as the 1794 flag). During the 1814 restoration the soldiers simply removed the blue and red part to revert back to royalist colors. You can see this easily by a simple image search for French Napoleonic shakos; however for a temporary proof you may look here or here. There is a complete listing of cocades from the 1792-1815 period in the much respected Haythornethwaite's Napoleonic Sourcebook, which I unfortunately have in storage and not at hand. Geira (talk) 23:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for biringing an attention to the fact that the whole article was unreferenced. In fact it was in this state since as early as 2006. I deleted the whole text. I don't want to even start checking what kind of historical errors it may contain. If you are a fan of the subject, do it correctly. Referencing is the most fundamental policy of English wikipedia, and your irony about my vigilance is gravely misplaced; obviously I was not vigilant enough. - üser:Altenmann >t 02:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- P.S. One of the references is the encyclopedia [[1]|Nouveau Larousse illustré ]]. The cockades are illustrated at the article under each country. The links to each of the volumes can be found in the Wikipedia article. More references are these publications: Anschauliche Darstellung der Staaten aller Welttheile(https://www.raremaps.com/maps/medium/33232.jpg) and Flaggen-Almanach, 1850, plates 62-64 (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=DK1AAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=flaggen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4-I364JTNAhXC1hQKHdLpA34Q6AEILDAA#v=onepage&q=flaggen&f=false).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.0.15.171 (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Now a stub
editWow, someone just reduced this entire article to less than a stub and removed a reference as well.*Trekker (talk) 09:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
- EDIT: I have now put the article back with sources. Not that hard.*Trekker (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Description of Cockades
editIn the list some descriptions start with the heart colour, some with the border colour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8389:41C1:1600:742C:E282:F0F0:BE02 (talk) 23:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)