Talk:Coffee substitute

Coffee substitutes that do not preserve taste

Perhaps the article can also inlude coffee substitutes that do not preserve taste. Rather, the substitute would hold the "morning or coffee buzz" of coffee (which some people require before getting to work). This offcourse because of cafeine or other substances.

Examples of such substitutes would include guarana drinks, Gotu kola, mate and cafeine-containing drinks as Red Bull

Please include in this article or make another article as Morning buzz Thanks.

KVDP (talk) 09:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Coffee substitute?

This article is presented as if you cannot enjoy/drink these drinks for their own sake. Roasted barley, wheat and grains are also found in bread and cereals like ralston, wheatgerm, oatmeal, etc. People drink them because they taste good, not because they are avoiding caffeine. The actual topic of this article should be describing hot, brewed, roasted, grain flavored drinks - not coffee substitutes. (I'm not saying change the title, just the presentation).Jimhoward72 (talk) 10:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Respectfully, I disagree. Your edits would have seem to implied that these beverages originated as something other than trying to develop a coffee substitute which is false. Further, some people do drink them to avoid caffeine.

Can you supply references that support your ideas?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

All I can do is repeat what I said already. Let's look at what you undid (my changes in bold):

"Besides being drunk for their own sake, coffee substitutes can be used for medical, economic and religious reasons, or because coffee is not readily available."

"Besides drinking them because they taste good, coffee substitutes are sometimes used in preparing foods served to children or to people who avoid caffeine, because those people do not have a need for caffeine-containing drinks."

That is not original research (as you claim). These products are made out of grains, like breakfast cereal or bread. They are a food product, nothing else. So, the main point being, that people also drink them for the sake of drinking them, as a food product and drink. The way the article stands now, it presents these drinks' sole purpose as being some kind of methodone drug for coffee addicts, which is completely false - and is in fact, more based on original research than what I changed it. I'm trying to say that other people drink these drinks besides ex-coffee addicts, and it needs to be in the article. And it is currently blatantly absent.Jimhoward72 (talk) 18:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Not original research? The fact that you interlaced 3 different statements to the effect of "drank for their own sake" through a very short article smacks of being pointy and your exaggerations sound lame (methadone?). People don't need to be told that drinking it is enjoyable...sounds pedantic.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

At least my exaggerations are on the talk page, and not the exaggerations/misrepresentations which are in the article itself. The list of products and their descriptions in the article needs a better overall introduction, other than the lame, original research it currently contains. The article is describing a wide range of widely used food products, not just a crutch for coffee drinkers (which you mistakenly seem to insist is all the article is about).Jimhoward72 (talk) 19:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

This article is about coffee substitutes; there is a separate article for roasted grain beverages. You keep trying to water the subject down until it no longer would be about the subject. Let's see if other editors would like to chime in the discussion.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Dandelion coffee, chicory coffee, barley malt coffee, etc, are all discussed here. They were certainly drunk as beverages without being influenced by presence/lack of coffee. "Coffee substitute", in the limited sense, only applies perhaps to Postum, which was developed specifically as a substitute for coffee. The other drinks are stand alone drinks. I don't know if the article should be split, or what, but it seems like it is combining a wide variety of beverages under one umbrella. Those other drinks are worthy of an article of their own, either here or a separate article. Problem is, intro doesn't seem to fairly cover the whole gamut of beverages discussed.Jimhoward72 (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Every one of the beverages you named were precisely substituted for coffee...their very existence owing to coffee (or lack thereof)...none being developed except for coffee shortages and a desire to replace it. We have citations in the article to that effect. If you believe this isn't so then you will need citations to support your position.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

barley, chicory, Roasted barley tea, etc. are varieties of drinks that are independent of coffee, and were drunk prior to coffee - which is not that relevant to my original point, anyway, which I am not going to continue to re-state in re-worded forms.Jimhoward72 (talk) 11:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to chime in here as a reader. This page seems very poorly written and very biased as to what a coffee substitute is and why it exists. Specifically the wording here: Coffee substitutes can be used for medical, economic and religious reasons, or simply because coffee is not readily available. How about for the reason that one likes the taste, and wants to avoid the caffeine? If you're listing reasons, list all of them, or add "amongst other reasons". I would be curious to know which reasons are the most prolific in alternative coffee drinkers. Further in the article: or in the belief that they are healthier than coffee Where is the evidence for or against this? This reeks of personal judgment. Again: foods served to children or to people who avoid caffeine This distinction is irrelevant and seems to debase alternative coffee drinkers by pairing them with children. I could go on, but I think you get the point. I came here through searching for wheat coffee, and was sorely disappointed in what I found. 24.79.194.19 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC).

You are welcome to edit the article to improve it. Please don't remove anything for which a source is cited, and please cite reliable sources for anything you add. If you think a cited source is not reliable, bring it up here on the talk page. -- Donald Albury 00:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Using Mormonism is incorrect for an example.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/mormon-caffeine-policy-cl_n_1848098.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.12.199 (talk) 06:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Roasting Okra Seed as a Coffee Substitute

Roasting Okra Seed as a Coffee Substitute. This looks rather interesting. Komitsuki (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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SDA vs LDS

For religious reasons, members of churches such as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, refrain from drinking coffee,[2] but not all hot drinks;[3] some may drink a substitute.[4]

It's awkward to combine these two as they are for different reasons. SDAs do not drink coffee because it contains caffeine. However, LDSs do not drink coffee because it is a "hot drink", not because of caffeine content. LDSs drink other caffeinated beverages, SDAs do not. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 01:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I also notice that the three sources cited all are pertinant to LDS, but not to SDA. I'll try to sort that out. - Donald Albury 13:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)