Talk:Cold cream

Eating

I've been watching a lot of TMC (turner classic movies) lately and in the last four days I've seen/heard 3 references to people EATING cold cream (as a sandwich spread or just by itself) I've never heard of such a thing before and even in these old movies it seemed to be frowned upon but I suppose since everything back then was made with natural ingredients then there'd be no harm in it...of course you couldn't do such a thing today what with all the chemicals in modern cosmetics but I was just wondering if anybody else has heard of this? 66.214.218.24 (talk) 15:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I've never heard of cold cream cosmetic being eaten. Maybe they meant actual cold CREAM (chilled butter)? --67.164.149.104 (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2015 (UTC) A few minutes of research -- I strongly suspect they were referring to cream cheese sandwiches, sometimes in old sources just called cream sandwiches, and always served cold instead of hot.--67.164.149.104 (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Use

The article explains what it is, but it does not explain why it is used. This would be useful info I think.

• It says in the first line, it is "designed to smooth skin and remove makeup". Cheers! bd2412 T 15:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It also was used as a lubricant for trombone slides and valves for brass instruments (instead of valve oil or slide oil). It might not be used that way any longer, though. I'd suspect there's a product made specifically for those purposes these days (that doesn't contain all the perfume and other stuff they put in for facial cream.) --66.41.154.0 (talk) 16:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Cold cream is generally the preferred lubricant of trombone slides today(2018). A thin layer is applied to the cleaned slide and then clear water is sprayed lightly on the slide. 1934Buffalo (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Verify claim

"The most widely sold brand of cold cream in the United States is Pond's." Can this statement be proved? When I think of cold cream (which admittedly I do not use) I think of Noxema.Saxophobia (talk) 03:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The was to resolve this is not to add your "thought", but to find a business source that lists some metric of sales for this product. One person's hunch is of no less value than that of the editor that came before him/her; but it is of no more value either. Leprof 7272 (talk) 00:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Borax

Does anyone know why there's Borax in cold cream? The borax article hints at several possible uses, I'd like to know what the actual arguments are. 71.236.26.74 (talk) 22:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The borax mixes nicely with the beeswax to make an adequate base to mix in all the other ingredients. An emulsifier I think? I know little and am researching all this myself. Lady BlahDeBlah (talk) 17:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Its clearly approved use in cosmetics is as a buffering agent, to keep product pH within a specified range (see https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/cosmetics/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=37742). But Lady BlahDeBlah was on the correct track: This sole assigned use ignores historical understanding which includes examples where the borates are added to facilitate combination of the oil/wax and aqueous portions that compose the final suspension (see for example https://www.cosmeticsandskin.com/aba/cold-cream.php), thus functioning as agents to aid emulsification, and to stabilize emulsions (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulsion).

Their periodic suggested uses as a source of peroxide (e.g., to serve as a bleaching whitening agent) and as an abrasive (e.g., to exfoliate) or appear to be wholly erroneous—in the former case, because of misidentification of borates with oxidizing perborates (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_perborate), and in the latter case because the ingredient appears to be dissolved during formulation, and so is in solution and not suspension (though the possibility of re-precipitation, while not in evidence in any sources seen, is theoretically be possible).

Contrary to representations of the "EWG", where citation content is periodically misstated/misrepresented, the EU's SCCS, the more restrictive of agencies between the US and EU, has stated that "boric acid, borates and tetraborates are safe when used under the conditions laid down in entry 1a of Annex III", which indicates safe use below 5% by mass boric acid in talcs, 0.1% by mass boric acid in oral hygiene products, and 3% by mass boric acid in other products (uses for cosmetics, only, in the risk assessment, see https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/consumer_safety/docs/sccs_o_027.pdf, see p. 25, Conclusion, and p. 7, Annex). The 3% for the "other products" category is in apparent excess of the amount used in the product described in this article, which appears to be less than 1% (see, e.g., https://www.cosmeticsandskin.com/aba/cold-cream.php). There are two qualifications to this: concentrations ≤5%, are deemed safe as cosmetic ingredients only if not be used on infant or injured skin, the latter because of concerns based on increased absorption by damaged skin, and toxicities associated with absorption (e.g., see https://ijt.sagepub.com/content/2/7/87.abstract). Leprof 7272 (talk) 01:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Reference to Lush's removed

Compared to the two high-sales brands indicated (and referenced via link to other Wikipedia articles), the reference to Lush's is placed here without link or reference. This is a minor brand (see https://www.lushusa.com/Ultrabland/02749,en_US,pd.html), and appears placed as a personal preference. This is a form of advertising, and so is not allowed in Wikipedia. If some notoriety ascribes to the product that can be substantiated via a verifiable, reliable encyclopedic source, the sentence can be re-added to the text. The removed sentence appears below, as it appeared in the version before my edit. Leprof 7272 (talk) 00:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• "Lush's Ultrabland is also a form of cold cream."

Galen's Recipe?

Can anyone find us Galen's actual recipe and quote it directly? When I look online most "Galen's Cold Cream" recipes are obviously modern and include anachronistic ingredients, and it makes me doubt most of the info in the article on the subject right now, which doesn't seem to be sourced or is sourced from questionable modern writings. The original Galen would probably be in Latin or Greek from what I understand.--67.164.149.104 (talk) 02:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)