Talk:Oakland Airport Connector

Requested move 22 November 2014

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The result of the move request was: move the page to Coliseum–Oakland International Airport line, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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BART to Oakland International Airport → BART to OAK – Or possibly back to original article title BART to Oakland International Airport Automated Guideway Transit. Article was moved to current name without discussion. Current name is awkward (BART to Oakland International Airport WHAT?...), and does not represent the best WP:COMMONNAME for the system. BART itself most often refers to the system as "BART to OAK", so that's likely the best Commonname. The original title is probably preferable on disambiguation grounds (as it names the system, and its "type", both, in the title). In any case, I'd appreciate some discussion on the best article title for this system. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC) IJBall (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

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• Oppose removal of Oakland International Airport - acronym alone is gibberish to general reader. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

  What about the idea of moving to Coliseum–Oakland Int'l Airport line? Or moving back to BART to Oakland International Airport Automated Guideway Transit? --IJBall (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Comment – An additional possible title for this article would be Coliseum–Oakland Int'l Airport line, as BART refers to the line this way in at least one place on its website. --IJBall (talk) 19:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

That makes the most sense to me; it avoids putting an acronym in the title, and clearly describes the subject of the article. --V2Blast (talk) 22:04, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Question to the closing administrator: It seems pretty clear to me that this Requested Move isn't going to get enough feedback, and so the Requested Move will fail on the grounds of "lack of Consensus". However, there has been at least some support for the idea of moving this article to Coliseum–Oakland International Airport line – and it should be noted that this would put its naming scheme in concert with the names of the articles on the Bay Area Rapid Transit's other five rapid transit lines. My question is this: If this Requested Move does fail, would it still then be OK for me to move the article to Coliseum–Oakland International Airport line on my end? Or would that be considered "bad form"? Or would it violate Wikipedia "rules" in that a "cooling off" period is required after a Requested Move fails? Thanks in advance. --IJBall (talk) 03:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

In such a case, a new move request would be advisable. After a discussion of a requested move, it is generally not considered uncontroversial to move a page again without further discussion. Dekimasuよ! 08:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• To many readers at first sight OAK means the tree. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:07, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I think the discussion is moving away from the "BART to OAK" option, so that's likely out. We're down to leaving it as its current name (which I think is the worst option), moving back to the original name, or moving to "Coliseum–Oakland International Airport line" (which I've come around to thinking is the best option). --IJBall (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Oakland International Airport station into Coliseum–Oakland International Airport line

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The result of this discussion was to not merge the pages. RickyCourtney (talk) 03:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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I don't think this station is any more notable than the stations on AirTrain JFK or the stations on the SFO AirTrain. The article about the station just repeats or includes information that is better suited for the merge target. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 03:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. I'll wait to see if others have any other comment though. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose: Unlike those systems, this line is a fully integrated part of BART - it uses the same fare system, shows the same on maps, etc. There's also a fair bit of history to the station design and placement in the environmental documents that would be too much detail for the line article. I don't see a compelling reason for a merge. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:34, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

  And AirTrain JFK uses MetroCard just like the NYC Subway and is integrated with it as well. AirTrain Newark requires a special ticket from the Newark Airport station. The argument for the merge is notability. Environmental review documents prob count as a primary source since they are written by CA and BART and so while they can be used as sources of information, they can't be used to establish notability. Whether something shows on maps or not is not a compelling reason to merge or not merge. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 02:11, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose: This station is as notable as any other station on the BART network. RickyCourtney (talk) 05:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Weak Oppose as it alone is good enough for our standards by being a station. It's one line, but it's on the BART map. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 07:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 August 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 13:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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Beige Line (BART) → Oakland Airport Connector – According to a new BART map released via the agency’s Instagram (source: [1]), the line is referrred to as OAK Airport. The name “Beige Line” is invented and not actively used by BART, instead referring to it by the proposed name (which is sometimes abbreviated to OAK). Also reference Google results counts, where ten times as many results reference “Oakland Airport connector” directly ([2])as opposed to “Beige Line” ([3]) InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now as WP:TOOSOON. How about we wait until they actually update their official web site and stop using "Beige Line" on those maps, and new schedules actually become effective next month? Most of those Google hits I see date back to a few years ago (or even when the project was still in the construction or planning phases), while the current map on their web site I just linked still uses "Beige". Plus we have a consistency aspect with the other BART lines. That Instagram post also notes that the new map is "nearly final", not yet "final". And yet, the first paragraph on BART's schedules download page currently references the line (which has no specific file) as both "BART to OAK service" and "Beige Line service". Zzyzx11 (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Beige Line appears to be unambiguous, so the current title is excessive disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 00:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME 2601:204:C901:B740:5C88:7DD8:3C75:575A (talk) 15:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support Oakland Airport Connector seems like the common name and while Beige Line is consistent and the official name for the next month, I really don't think it matters at this point. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 17:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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