Talk:Collaborations (Ravi Shankar and George Harrison album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: AmritasyaPutra (talk · contribs) 10:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

Further information: WP:WIAGA

A good article is—

1. Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

2. Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); and

(c) it contains no original research.

3. Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Review

1. Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	Concerns addressed (see comments).	Pass
(b) (MoS)	The lead, specially, is awesome!	Pass

2. Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	Consistent, verifiable.	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	Yes	Pass
(c) (original research)	No or, all content is referenced.	Pass

3. Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Covers major aspects.	Pass
(b) (focused)	Concerns addressed (see comments).	Pass

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
I find it neutral.	Pass

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
Little or no change in recent month.	Pass

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	One with fair use rationale, others cc.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	Captions are descriptive.	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	A good article indeed!

Discussion

I have started the review. It does not have any cleanup banners and does not contain any seemingly copyright infringements, I will continue with the six good article criteria. Thank you. --AmritasyaPutra^T 10:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

AmritasyaPutra: Hi – were you going to add more here? I'm worried the GAR might time out, and I only just remembered about the nomination myself! (I probably should have got in touch before now, but I tend to wait until a review's complete unless issues are specifically brought up along the way.) Thanks, JG66 (talk) 05:32, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

JG66 you are right about that. I am getting lesser and lesser time to come to WP these days. I am okay if someone else is willing to carry forward this review or if you have some one in mind. I will see if I can find some time this week, otherwise, I will leave a message in concerned noticeboard for someone else to pick it up or remove this review and put it back in the pool for someone else start afresh. --AmritasyaPutra^T 05:37, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

AmritasyaPutra Well, it would be great if by some chance you found the time … I might be able to find somebody, but I think it's unlikely. (Besides, I'd much rather it was you who continued the review, rather someone else starting all over again – or even worse, the nomination going back on the pile, maybe for months!)

It's been a while since 20 October, so I don't know if there's an automatic time-out after a certain number of weeks. Let's see how it goes? I completely understand you might have other commitments, of course! Best, JG66 (talk) 10:46, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

• Is the usage of 'instigated' correct? Is the intent 'inspired'?

Yes, I'd say "instigated" is correct here. I've found this definition online – "to bring about or initiate (an action or event)" – which, to me, seems perfect. What do you think? JG66 (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

That meaning, literally is correct, but this word is used mostly in negative context. And it doesn't seem to fit here... to me. Check its usage in Merriam-Webster and Oxford. --AmritasyaPutra^T 06:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you – yes, I see what you mean. Now changed to "inspired". JG66 (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

• Is the second paragraph of 'Background' appropriate for this article?

I do think it's important, because it establishes for the reader the depth of Shankar and Harrison's friendship, and this box set is a document of that. Reviews for Collaborations tend to focus on this issue (more than on the actual music perhaps), and its relevance is borne out elsewhere in the article, I think – in the section on the box set's packaging, for instance. Added to that, Harrison's widow was so involved in compiling and presenting the release – which reflects the personal aspect of the compilation, not to mention its obvious importance to George Harrison's legacy. (For example, the Harrison estate got this release together before any outtakes/rarities-type Harrison album – which is very unusual among the posthumous repackaging campaigns so typical of the late 20th century/early 21st – and four years before a box set compiling his best-known solo work, The Apple Years 1968–75. Okay, there were commercial considerations involved, with Shankar's 90th-birthday reissues over 2010, but the context of Collaborations is definitely the two artist's friendship.) Also, to be specific about the wording in this second paragraph, the statement "their musical collaborations continued only intermittently after the mid 1970s" is useful, given that 20 years pass before they formally reunited for Chants of India.

Your comment has got me thinking, though: I remember finding it problematic that the three studio albums appear in reverse chronological order in the box set, which is why I had to present this information as part of Background. (Rather than us coming across the details gradually – say, within the history covered under Musical Content – because the chronology is backwards.) Added to that, the mention of "When Harrison died in November 2001, following a four-year battle with cancer" establishes that it's a posthumous compilation for Harrison …

But obviously, all this is what I believe, and as you can tell, I could probably go on forever about it(!). What do you think now – does any of the above answer your concerns? JG66 (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the explanation that the reviews also tend to focus on their friendship is sufficient. --AmritasyaPutra^T 06:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

• What is the purpose of "rather than Sanskrit"?

Well, all the Vedic prayers and other religious texts are in Sanskrit, whereas "Prabhujee" has the distinction of containing lyrics in Hindi. I guess I didn't think it needed stating in the previous sentence that anything from the Vedas would be in Sanskrit – do you think otherwise? JG66 (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

I feel a general reader may find the 'rather' unexplained, can we append a short phrase like "which is more common" or something along that line? --AmritasyaPutra^T 06:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've had a go at clarifying the Sanskrit aspect, in the previous sentence. Any good? JG66 (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

• The article is exemplary! I listened to the track "I Am Missing You" after reading this article, it's beautiful, thank you for this wonderful article! --AmritasyaPutra^T 16:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Well thank you, AmritasyaPutra, for finding the time to complete the review, and for your generous comment. (And yes, "I Am Missing You" is really something; also "Supané Mé Āyé Preetam Sainyā" and "Jaya Jagadish Haré" from the same album. "Kajri", "Naderdani", "Dehati" (from Music Festival from India), they're amazing pieces as well … Ah, don't get me started!) JG66 (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Will try to check them out. Thank you! --AmritasyaPutra^T 06:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)