Talk:Collective farming

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What is missing?

The history of the idea The development of the idea The implementation in the main countries Differences between sovhoz and kolhoz The reason for failure and success future Collectivization in China

No longer stubb

Nontheless, I think there's is too much here to callit a "stub" anymore and I'll take it upon myself to remove that notice. --Christofurio 17:09, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)

Details

Sorry for my pedantic posting here, but we should keep in mind that encyclopedias determine the placement of topics based on an overall organization.

Based on the title, this is an article on collective farming, i.e. the underlying theory of a producer cooperative in agriculture, as opposed to a profit-maximizing firm. Such an entry should discuss the theoretical organizational arrangements and internal workings of the collective farm (e.g., distribution of output, incentives, the allotment of land, decision-making, etc.) and the ideologies espousing this model. But the content on this page seems to be upside down, focusing more on practice than theory.

Of course, when it came to the Soviet kolkhoz and collective farms modeled after it, the theory and the reality of the collective farming didn't bear much of a resemblance. However, the theory has profound implications for the understanding of collectivization. We have to address this somewhere, so we might as well put it here, where it's supposed to be.

For our purposes here, e.g., coverage of the kolkhoz (the Soviet collective farm - the "practice") belongs in the Economy of the Soviet Union (linked from its parent article, Soviet Union) and related articles. The article on the Soviet economy contains a section on Soviet collective farms, known as the kolkhoz. Stalinist collectivization throughout the Soviet countryside in '29-'33 collectivization is another topic, and it's discussed in entries on Soviet history. 172 00:40, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

De-collectivization

I suggest that someone also discuss the de-collectivization of collective farms as a historical fact. How far has the process gone? What are the national differences in de-collectivization? What resistance has existed? How id agricultural production respond? --66.231.38.97 06:54, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Romans collectivization

The Soviet Union did not undertake the world's first campaign of mass collectivization. The Romans already did the same 2000 years ago.

Why this isn't included? SeldPhoton (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Israel POV

Could anyone care to explain what's POV about this section? - TheMightyQuill 01:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that the problem is the association of Kibbutzim with the Soviet disaster. Even though they are both examples or collectivist enterprises, they are completely different in scope and context. Also, most kibbutzim have an artisan shop or an industrial component, meaning they are not strictly "collective farms." Within a broader article that discusses the various economic models for food production [i.e., if this article was well-written], the inclusion would make sense, but currently it does not. 69.209.197.120 20:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

And I beleive the problem is trolling. I removed this ridiculous tag on 2 short sentences.

By the way, where on Earth you see in them any relation to Soviet disaster? `'mikka 20:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

How come thiers nothing on how the collectives ended?--J intela 05:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably because that subject has not been deeply *separately* studied. Most of the collective farms in Soviet Union were very weak for a long time, and ended up taken over by stronger ones. The ones remaining until 1990 were more farms than collective already, and when the Soviet Union fell, they ended up privatised -- some as a whole, many in parts. Digwuren 12:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Cuba

Information about collective farming in Cuba must be added to this article. Cuba is at the forfront of progressive farming, and a majority, if not all farms in Cuba are collectivized. I came to this article looking for information on collective farming in Cuba, but there is none. Just a friendly suggestion. (not signed by 216.79.193.120)

"Cuba is at the forfront of progressive farming" - any sources? Xx236 14:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Tone

Large parts of this article are written in an essay style, rather than the style of an encyclopedia. I am not an experienced editor, so I don't want to pass judgement and go around changing anything on such a prominent article. I just though I would bring it to the attention of someone better able to make a judgement. An an example:

"Anyway, "failure" is a term which indicates nothing about the magnitude of goals set and results achieved. For instance, the meat target set in the 1982-1990 Soviet Food Program was an average annual output of 20.25 million tons. The Food Program target was not met, though production in 1990 hit 20 million tons.[7] Hence, the plan failed."

I'm not disputing the article's contents, only its tone. 129.67.172.102 (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree w/ the above statement as it being more casual, However, in that way it is easier to read. Maybe edited to a "Happy Middle" place. More IMPORTANTLY, I find the tone to be more on the positives, rather than being Neutral as it should be. When negatives are written, IMHO, it is expressed that it is because of someone becoming "Power Hungry", in laments terms. This, IMO, is one of the MAJOR factors why collectivism fails as in time this will usual be what happens. Not to mention "TAKING" from those who have "EARNED" their land/ property, only to have it Taken away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indigodreamz (talk • contribs) 20:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure tone is the correct word. It's just poorly written. It's also overly defensive, but many of the facts seem relevant, and a quick re-write could easily fix the problems. (I'm too lazy.) 76.27.129.154 (talk) 09:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

i agree with you, i added a tag. the article is about collectivization. the goal is for the casual reader to be able to understand the basic facts; what was it, where, when, why, how and who. then to understand the academic debates over it; who made the debates, did they publish notable books about their argument, etc. as it is currently written, it does not accomplish those goals. it is confusing, hard to follow, hard to understand, etc; part of that is the poor grammar, poor writing, poor word choice, and poor organization. Decora (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree with everyone pointing out the apparent, that this section you're mentioning is, what seems to me a propaganda leaflet _for_ collectivisation. I don't know much about this topic but it's easy to spot that someone is making a political statement and hi-jacking the whole section by doing that. I would gladly educate myself further about this topic and get back on this, after I actually learn how to edit Wikipedia (I'm new). Will try to post this and see what happens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.180.169.54 (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

the quality tag

the section about arguing over 'was it a failure' is poorly written, confusing, and badly organized.Decora (talk) 20:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Sources regarding Theory of collectivization

Individualism, Collectivism, and Economic Development Richard Ball Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science , Vol. 573, Culture and Development: International Perspectives (Jan., 2001), pp. 57-84

Collective Action and Citizen Responses to Global Warming Mark Lubell, Sammy Zahran and Arnold Vedlitz Political Behavior , Vol. 29, No. 3 (Sep., 2007), pp. 391-413

The information contained is useful in determining motives behind modern collectivization movements. Lrcobbe (talk) 20:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Addition of Tanzania

This is my first time editing an wiki, I would very much like some feedback because I am sure there are things I am not doing very well.

Peasant Participation in Communal Farming: The Tanzanian Experience Dean E. McHenry, Jr. African Studies Review , Vol. 20, No. 3, Peasants in Africa (Dec., 1977), pp. 43-63

Demography and Development Policy in Tanzania Rodger Yeager The Journal of Developing Areas , Vol. 16, No. 4 (Jul., 1982), pp. 489-510

Lrcobbe (talk) 19:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Recommendations

There seems to be an unequal distribution of information on collectivization between the nations. Particularly between the large Soviet Union section, and the smaller sections for Romania, Moldova, and Mexico. Additionally, it would be interesting to see a few North American examples as well. DonGabrieli04 (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow! I didn't even notice that there wasn't a North American example. Thanks! I'll try to include some information on that. Lrcobbe (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

This article could perhaps benefit from some discussion on the overall positive and negative outcomes that have been seen from collective farming. There appears to be plenty of examples of collective farming though. Mlcrowell (talk) 17:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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1940 results

The statement it was not until 1940 that agricultural production finally surpassed its pre-collectivization levels should be supported by statistical data. Which production?

There was a war and hunger since 1941. When the pre-collectivization level was surpassed after WWII?Xx236 (talk) 11:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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Collective farming

Collective farming and communal farming are various types of, "agricultural production in which multiple farmers run their holdings as a joint enterprise".[1] There are two broad types of communal farms: agricultural cooperatives, in which member-owners jointly engage in farming activities as a collective, and state farms, which are owned and directly run by a centralized government. The process by which farmland is aggregated is called collectivization. In some countries (including the Soviet Union, the Eastern Bloc countries, China and Vietnam), there have been both state-run and cooperative-run variants. For example, the Soviet Union had both kolkhozy (cooperative-run farms) and sovkhozy (state-run farms). 2405:201:2000:30B2:405F:6E85:2868:EC94 (talk) 07:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Uncited, out of place paragraph on Moldavia

The fourth paragraph under the 'Soviet Union' section consists of a rather out of place & uncited paragraph concerning collectivization of Moldavia. It doesn't seem to pose enough of a significant difference to warranting mention (compared to Ukraine in the paragraph prior) and would be better suited under Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic or Collectivization in the Soviet Union, or related articles. Lemonlite (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)