Talk:College of St Hild and St Bede, Durham

This article isn't neutral

—Preceding unsigned comment added by AndTheRest (talk • contribs) 18:12, 19 November 2006

Would you please elaborate on this? — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 03:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Phrases such as these don't seem very neutral to me:

"Hild Bede's sporting reputation is without an equal"

“a proud record that belies the club's cavalier and laid back attitude, which nevertheless consistently produces great teams and great results”

“Many old boys of this great institution”

HereItIsNow 01:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

May not be neutral but they're all true :) -- Ex Hild Beder

Motto

May be deliberate but the inscription of the motto as i remember it is "eadEm mutata resurgo" Which also makes more sense within Latin. Could anyone confirm either way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.4.1 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct, as it's also on James Bernoulli's gravestone. It's probably just a type here, so I'll change it. Given that the translations also vary, I'll also change it to the most popular translation used by people within the college. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 16:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

just wondering baout the translation. "Changed and yet the same, I rise again", "I arise again the same though changed" and "Though changed I rise again the same" all seem fairly common usage. Is the one we have the best fit? not saying it isn't just thinking aloud 129.234.4.10 12:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to the one I'd heard the most around college, though apparently the original of "I rise again changed but the same" is most used: see [1] and [2]. Feel free to change it back. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 14:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I've changed it back; with the various translations for college mottos floating around (see the Hatfield page) I think it's best to stick to the University-approved ones - though if another can be shown to be widely used we could mention that too. TSP 17:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

When the merged College was being set up I recall we used to talk about "Though changed I rise again stronger", but apparently that didn't translate easily, which is why we settled on "Though changed I rise again the same". I suspect other translations came from the Latin, though in fact the Latin originally came from the English! DR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.136.81 (talk) 11:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Mighty Hild Bede

A phrase in common useage within the college and University is "the Mighty Hild Bede" this is how it is refered to within the Durham Student Union Meetings, and should be amended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.4.76 (talk • contribs)

A search of DSU minutes gives no hits for the phrase. Google gives two hits, both from Hild Beders. And, for what it's worth, four hits for "the Mighty Hatfield", the first from Hild Bede's own website... might be best to drop this one, I think. :-) TSP 20:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I'm from Hild Bede, and I've never heard anyone use that particular phrase. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 21:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

As another current student i do actually use the phrase "Mighty Hild Bede", and have heard many others use it as well. It is, according to our principal, a relatively new phrase to enter the hild bede vernacular however is growing in usage. Another example of this is the word "fleetwood", which apparently stems back to freshers fortnight 2006 and a joke made by the then SRC Treasurer of the college, Lewis Black. It means something which is not good - eg. if i were to say "this music is fleetwood" i would be expressing my dislike of it.

As the current chair of the DSU council I can say quite categorically that the phrase "The Mighty Hild Bede" has been used on a regular basis. Its use in meetings was instituted by the previous Hild Bede Senior DSU rep, Matt Aldridge, and is now regularly heard in meetings. So there.

Sounds like WP:NEO is the relevant guideline here.

"Neologisms that are in wide use — but for which there are no treatments in secondary sources — are not yet ready for use and coverage in Wikipedia. They may be in time, but not yet."

So, great, the phrase is in use. That doesn't mean it belongs in Wikipedia. TSP 22

00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Update

I think this page needs a revamp. For one the "Students" section is really a sports section and the think it needs references to other things such as some of the other societies and clubs in the college such as the chapel choir, bede film soc, the vernon arms, musical society, and other sports such as badminton, squash etc. I am a current student but dont have much knowledge of most of the sports aspect so if anyone else would like to update that otherwise i will rename the "Student" section to sports and remodel the page a little. CCJ (talk) 14:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I have added some non sporting content but I think the section could possibly do with renaming SPACKlick (talk) 08:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Predecessor colleges

I can't help thinking that there is a need for separate pages to give the histories of the predecessor colleges, the College of the Venerable Bede and St Hild's College. That would also make the Alumni section more mangeable, as some of the alumni cited died before the College of St Hild and St Bede was founded, so it all looks a bit odd. Sadly, I do not have the knowledge or ability to start this off! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.136.95 (talk) 02:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I also think it could do with some restructuring (not necessarily separate pages). I came here to see if I could answer a question and am left confused with it unanswered:

I know 2 people who studied at St Hild's college pre 1975. One describes herself as having studied at Durham; the other as having studied at St Hild's. Who is correct? I see that Durham validated conferred degrees pre-1975 but is that the same?

Basically I'm disappointed that I can't work it out from the articleIcarusgeek (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Both are true, degrees from St Hild's from 1896 are Dunelm (from Durham University). This is made clear in the article under the section history see below.SPACKlick (talk) 17:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

while St Hild's College, for women, was founded in 1858 and was associated with the University from 1896. Graduates of St Hild's were the first female graduates from Durham in 1898.

Thanks SPACKlick - a very fast answer! And I now see that omitted something potentially significant about the situation when asking. I could see that if either had a degree it would be Durham; but it's not so clear for the many other qualifications studied at St Hilda's at the time. Did they 'study at Durham'? (This is genuine curiosity, not pure pedantry) Icarusgeek (talk) 18:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Anything they studied at St Hild's would hav been studied "at durham" although as for who conferred the qualification Durhuam University or St Hild's College it may be the case that it depends on the qualification but having done some looking through college records I can't find anything conferred post 1896 that was not conferred by or on behalf of Durham.SPACKlick (talk) 15:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Map

I work with mapping, I went to Hild Bede, I'm not an idiot, but can someone explain to me how the map in the infobox is any use at all?

I suppose it is useful to the subset of people who know Durham well enough to recognise it from a not very clear map but don't know where Hild Bede is. It would help if the dot still appeared on the zoomed in version which would need it not to be added in a template but directly on the image. JMiall₰ 14:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Roger Moore

In this interview with the Newcastle Chronicle he denied having been a student at the college.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/whats-on/arts-culture-news/sir-roger-moore-remembers-co-12140786

Do we have any credible source he was a student? I note both the current sources are down.85.237.234.175 (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

There are a few sources for it, none of them great. I list them pretty comprehensively below, ignoring those which seem to be copies of the wiki articles and ignoring obituaries as they may have copied from wikipedia.

• Durham University lists him on one of there astrology press packs. [3].
• Durham Student says he went there (no date on it) [4]
• An interview with the Chronicle makes reference to it, although it's unclear if it was actually put to Roger himself [5]
• Tatler lists him as alumni from back in 2012 [6]
• The Tab also listed him as alumni in 2012, mentioning his non-graduation [7]
• North Yorkshire news indicate his attendance of the university from his book "Last Man Standing" although I don't have a copy so can't confirm [8]
• Durham Magazine says he attended Bede andclaims the reason he didn't graduate was national service [9]
• University rooms lists him as an alumni [10]
• He is listed as alumni n the hild bede fresher's handbook from Hild Bede 2014 in the principal's notes. [11]
• Kiwi Report notes him as an alumni [12]
• It's in another Durham University powepoint from 2008 | Slide15
• CNBC lists him as alumni when discussing Maryam Nemazee [13]
• He was also listed as alumni in the material I received when arriving at the college in 2005 although I don't still have copies of it.

SPACKlick (talk) 11:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The page about Moore himself says he was at RADA three terms after his 1945 extra work then went to national service on 21 September 1946 (so at the age of 18 years and 11 months). What academic year are we claiming he was in residence then? 88.212.36.193 (talk) 22:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

So there is no source that predates it being added to wikipedia on 25 March 2007 by IP address 129.234.4.1 (i.e. random Durham user) then? I was a student at Hild Bede in the 1990s (and an active member of the college James Bond Society) and I can tell you that nobody there had ever heard of this at the time. Also neither of the sources currently used give a year. The rogermoore.org fan page also says he studied at Hild Bede rather than just Bede, - if we take that as a reliable source it would mean he was at the college some time after he made "The Man with the Golden Gun." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.36.193 (talk) 20:33, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

To add to the above, the Roger Moore claim was removed in May 2007 (along with the claim that the horse Red Rum had attended the college) and that would have been all if "journalists" had not proceeded to copy the story into citable newspapers. I'm not going to remove it but I am going to add a note that it is denied by Moore himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.36.193 (talk) 21:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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George Lazenby

Is there a source for him attending the college that predates it being added to this page as unsourced information on 13 December 2010‎ by IP address 213.106.233.97 ? The current source does not specifically say he was at Hild Bede (and is also absurd - as if the people selling rooms have done independent research into college records rather than just repeating what they have heard elsewhere) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.36.193 (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't know about online sources. It was definitely in College Literature in 2005/6. Durham Magazine had it in 2016. SPACKlick (talk) 16:24, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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