Talk:Colored people's time

CSS

For some reason on the main page of this article, the wikipedia logo does not show up and some other things are missing. I think this might be a problem with the article's CSS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.111.225.194 (talk) 02:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Toni Morrison

I heard this phrase "Colored People's Time" in the novel "Jazz" of Toni Morrison. One of the main themes of the novel is purgatory and the cathartic ability of Jazz music. This book utilizes the style of "untrustworthy narrators", in which reality is altered slightly by the storyteller's emotions and perspective.. It was really a very interesting novel... Wiki is the best resource fro me to get a lot of informative stuff regarding any topic.. Thanks, Mitchelle Brown.

Necessary?

Is this page necessary? A page already exists like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_time)... perhaps they should be merged, or at least this one linked with the other? I don't understand how to edit Wikipedia properly, otherwise i would do it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.219.80.28 (talk) 00:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, this would be a good candidate for merging (WP:MERGE). Mu Mind (talk) 04:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

DeBlasio-Clinton Incident

An description of the April 9, 2016 "joke" between Mayor DeBlasio and Hillary Clinton and was followed by the word Racist. This was clearly a violation of NPV. However, a description of reactions to the joke if referenced would be appropriate. 02:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.T.S. in Texas (talk • contribs)

"Racist" is the neutral description of that "joke", which relies on a negative race-based stereotype. Given that it was being told between two people outside that race, there is not any non-racist aspect to it whatsoever. (Even in the cited infrablack uses, it remains a definitionally racist sentiment, simply less offensively so.) However, it would violate NPOV to actually describe either DeBlasio or Clinton personally as racist; they were reading from a script which they may not have looked over ahead of time. — LlywelynII 21:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

We cannot add our own descriptions however evident they are. We are describing the published reaction, not our opinions about what happened. In particular, if DeBlasio was called racist for this, we should have written that he was called so, not that he was. In the same vein I removed the desciptor "widely" from "widely criticized", because "widely" in this case is not coming the source cited. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Black People Time

is not actually a thing and shouldn't be mentioned in the article at all, let alone in the lead. — LlywelynII 22:07, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Cited in print since at least 1912

1 Readers should know that CPT goes much further back and is related to "Southern People's TIme." Barry (talk) 12:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

So add it. — LlywelynII 21:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

The link cited is an article by etymologist Barry Popik - info from an expert, not just a newspaper, is perfect for this article. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:31, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Merge

The article should really be merged to African time, since it's simply an Americentric treatment of the exact same concept/racial slur, but if that doesn't happen it should still be moved. Google Ngram shows that CP Time is by far the more WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH wording of this phrase. — LlywelynII 22:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Africans and African Americans are extremely not the same culturally, both in fact and in stereotypes, so I oppose the merge. Move is OK IMO. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I oppose as CPT and African time are two distint things. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)'

Agreed. Same concept, different place(more or less). Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 04:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I suggest to write a separate article Stereotypes about punctuality and tardiness, see Tardiness#Tardiness stereotypes and some parts of "Punctuality". Staszek Lem (talk) 17:36, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Given the uncontested opposition to the merge, closed. Klbrain (talk) 08:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I contested opposition to the merge. I support it! It's the same stereotype. PrussianOwl (talk) 21:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@PrussianOwl:: Just checking; where was your previous comment; I can't see a comment anywhere on these pages with your signature. Those who commented on the discussion seems to agree that the US phenomenon was different to that elsewhere in the world. Klbrain (talk) 22:10, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I changed my name not too long ago, I was Jjjjjjdddddd for a while. PrussianOwl (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I understand now. That makes 2 users for; 2 against; all making valid arguments; no new arguments or positions since August 2017. That suggests stale with no consensus. Perhaps you could start a new proposal if you felt strongly about it? Klbrain (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah, that seems fair. Thanks, PrussianOwl (talk) 19:01, 8 November 2018 (UTC)