Talk:Commandant of the United States Marine Corps

Gen Hagee

Gen Hagee has not stepped down as the CMC yet. He is still in office as the Commandant. Bunns USMC 00:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Remarks column

I think that having a remark for every Commandant is a bit unnecessary. Not every single Marine in this role has had the same impact to the Corps as a whole, and some of the remarks are stretching pretty far just so that the field isn't blank. I'd like to prude it down to just remarks about how that particular Commandant made some significant (and lasting) impression on the Corps as a whole, and not just a line from his bio page. bahamut0013^words_deeds 17:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I would agree however in order for a list to be featured it must be filled in. If someone where to identify something that allows us to get around that then I would be all for cleaning it up. In fact I am having some trouble finding info on a couple and had to stretch it as you put it to fill in some of the others.--Kumioko (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree: especially, Notes for Gen. Shoup. Although always opposed to Bay of Pigs caper and combat involvement in Vietnam, Shoup's public anti-war rhetoric came after he retired. As CMC AND according to Shoup Wikipedia entry, he was instrumental in improving logistics and financial and supply management (a data processing division). He also challenged political demands for anti-communism indoctrination for Marines. BubbleDine (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

FA or FL

WP:MILHIST has this listed as FA is this correct or a typo ?--Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The MILHIST banner template doesn't distinguish between FA and FL. If you look at the edit screen, it does say FL (but the template converts it to FA), and it surely went through FLC instead of FAC. bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Reading List

No mention of the Commandant's Reading List? http://home.comcast.net/~antaylor1/usmccommandant.html I'm adding it as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.242.4 (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

For one, that list is way out of date, by a decade at least. And no, it doesn't warrant inclusion because it is only related to the commandant in the name; it's a professional education reading list chosen by HQMC (probably TECOM), not the commandant himself (though I'm sure he signs off on it). Even if he did chose it, it would be only one of hundreds of decisions made by the commandant each year and not any more relevant to the office of the CMC than they are. bahamut0013^words_deeds 19:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Peers and Counterparts

Would someone please add a section that tells us who relates to whom across the branches of the military? Is there a "Commandment" post in the other branches? General in Marine talk is the same as what in the other branches? Sorry if that is a silly question, but I never know what the ranks mean. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.7.198 (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

That is an excellent suggestion. Your not the only one who doesn't know and I will add that in the next couple days once I do a little research. --Kumioko (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Enlistment

Kind of upset, Never thought the Marine Corps would be "politically Correct" Uncle was is the Corps during WW11, I went in during VietNam, Two cousins were in same time, My nephew wanted to go OCS and was told "no room, saving for minorities" What the hell is going on. Semper Fi William M. Kurtz USMCR 077383 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.99.117.78 (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2012 (UTC) 

They found out his uncle was a crybaby? And unless you trained your uncle and your cousins you don't get to take credit for their service. I went in during Vietnam says I didn't serve in Vietnam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:150:0:DA40:D095:D039:1036:8AD (talk) 06:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Extra-long text

Somebody butchered this page, which I assume from what is likely a gaffe citation-wise. What should be done? SuperWIKI (talk) 08:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I reverted the edit for now. I saw this comment afterwards. If the text is alright, it can of course be reinserted in proper format. DTM (talk) 12:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Heckl and Mahoney

@SuperWIKI Hey, just wanted to ask why did you delete Heckl and Mahoney, who did serve as acting commandants? If we are not counting acting commandants, shouldn't Smith's tenure as acting commandant be deleted as well? KingEdinburgh (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Interim service chiefs are included (including the Army, Navy, and Air Force) by virtue of "acting in the event of a vacancy" - i.e. in a caretaker capacity - with the expectation of a permanent successor arriving forthwith. For example, ADM McCormick became acting CNO (as the VCNO) after the death of ADM Sherman, and Gen McNabb became acting CSAF after Gen Moseley's resignation.

Not included are service chiefs who are "acting in the event that the chief is incapacitated", which LtGen Heckl and Gen Mahoney are. This is because the sitting chief remains in office. To my knowledge, Gen Smith never vacated office as commandant during his convalescence. Heckl and Mahoney only merited full inclusion in the table during their periods of incumbency - once Gen Smith returned to duty, they no longer count.

As a vacancy existed with Berger's retirement, Smith's tenure as acting commandant is included. SuperWIKI (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Heckl and Mahoney only merited full inclusion in the table during their periods of incumbency - once Gen Smith returned to duty, they no longer count. I find that weird. The fact that Heckl and Mahoney did serve as acting commandant remains after Smith came back to office. Hypothetically, if Smith had resigned without assuming office again, that would mean that Mahoney would have served in acting capacity both because of incapacity and vacancy. Would that mean that Mahoney's tenure as acting commandant only merits inclusion in the table starting from when he served as acting commandant "in the event of a vacancy"? I don't think so.

Regardless, I think the question should be whether we include in the table those who serve in acting capacity. Where did you get the distinction between acting in the event of a vacancy and acting in the event that the chief is incapacitated? Is it from the US Code or MOS? I do think that there should be no distinction between the two because 10 U.S.C. § 8044 does not differentiate an acting commandant who assumes office in the case of "vacancy in the office of Commandant of the Marine Corps" or "during the absence or disability of the Commandant." If we take out acting commandants from the table, we should take them out regardless of a vacancy or disability. KingEdinburgh (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This is something where a standard probably needs to be set by consensus - don't think we've had such a high profile incident like this happen in modern times.

That said, Smith's tenure wasn't officially interrupted during his time in hospital, just that Heckl/Mahoney were acting in his place. Perhaps this is something requiring an official secondary source list of commandants. SuperWIKI (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)