Talk:Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker
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Trivia tag
editI recently posed under User talk:69.117.203.169#Legacy of Benjamin Banneker:
The trivia is, I feel, in the sections "Real estate", "Businesses", and "Advocacy groups", as well as a couple other subsections of "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". However, as these sections contain references, I am reluctant to remove them. Epicgenius (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone assist in checking if these really are trivia, and if so, to weed these trivia out? Thanks, Epicgenius (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Moved article
editI have moved this article from "Mythology and legacy of Benjamin Banneker" to "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" to reflect the titles of the article's two main sections. The article does not contain a section entitled "Legacy of Benjamin Banneker". Corker1 (talk) 19:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Page size
editThis page currently has 423,008 bytes of markup; it's far too big. What's the best way to divide it up? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Split page
edit@Onetwothreeip: You have split "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker into two separate pages ("Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" and "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker"). When doing this, you removed context from the new "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" that existed before your split.
You have also not created links to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" from the main article ("Benjamin Banneker") and from other Wikipedia articles that link to "Mythology and Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". You have therefore made "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" into an orphan that few users will be able to access. In addition, you created "cite errors" within "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" that notices within the page's reference section identify as "Cite error: The named reference (citation) was invoked but never defined (see the help page)".
The lead to "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" states: "A United States postage stamp and the names of a number of recreational and cultural facilities, schools, streets and other facilities and institutions throughout the United States have commemorated Banneker's documented and mythical accomplishments throughout the years since he lived." However, because of the split that you created, "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" does not contain any information about these commemorations, and further, does not contain citations to reliable sources that support information about commemorations.
Further, you have not complied with Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure, which states:
If an article meets the criteria for splitting and no discussion is required, editors can be bold and carry out the split. If unsure, or with high-profile or sensitive articles, start a "Split" discussion on the article talk page, and consider informing any associated WikiProject(s). Additionally, adding one of the splitting templates will display a notice on the article and list it at Category:Articles to be split. This will help bring it to the attention of editors who may assist in establishing consensus, in deciding if a split is appropriate, or in carrying out the split. Templates used without an accompanying rationale, and where there is no obvious reason for the split request, may be removed at any time. Note: To conform with Wikipedia's licensing requirements, which require that all content contributors receive attribution, the page receiving the split material must have an edit summary noting "split content from article name". (Do not omit this step or omit the page name.) A note should also be made in the edit summary of the source article, "split content to article name". The "Copied" template can also be placed on the talk page of both articles. For further information, refer to the main Copying within Wikipedia guideline.
Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure describes the following six steps that editors need to take when considering and conducting a page split:
- Step 1: Create a discussion
- Step 2: Add notice
- Step 3: Discuss
- Step 4: Close the discussion and determine the consensus
- Step 5: Perform the splitting
- Step 6: Clean up
You performed Step 5, but did not perform any of the other five steps.
I therefore reverted the changes that you made to restore the original text of "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" to correct the errors that you made. However, you subsequently reverted my edits without an adequate explanation.
When preparing to move a Wikipedia page, a message entitled "Move Mythology and commemorations of (page)" appears. This message states: "This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding. Please read Wikipedia:Moving a page for more detailed instructions." The same is true for splitting a page into two or more pages.
You justified your reversions with statements such as "Blanking the article or merging the article into another article is most decidedly not an appropriate way to address the issues of context in the article" and "No need for commemorations to be in the same article as mythology. If one of the articles lacks context, context should be added, not the articles merged."
Editors that split or move pages bear the responsibility of appropriately addressing issues of context in the article that they have created and for adding context. They should not expect other editors to assume this responsibility.
Editors that make comments such as "split or move pages merging the article into another article is most decidedly not an appropriate way to address the issues of context in the article" need to provide an "appropriate way" for others to correct the errors that they have created. "Wikipedia:Moving a page" describes such "appropriate ways" to undo a move (or a split). However, it is difficult to undo a page move (or a split) when a subsequent edit has changed a page (see Wikipedia:Moving a page#Undoing a move). In some instances, only an administrator can resolve these difficulties.
Please therefore correct all of the errors that your changes have introduced. Add context to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". Define the named references (citations) that the page now invokes. Provide links to "Commemorations of Benjamin Benneker" in other Wikipedia articles that now incorrectly link to "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker", rather to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker".
Remove the sentence in the lead to "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" that states: "A United States postage stamp and the names of a number of recreational and cultural facilities, schools, streets and other facilities and institutions throughout the United States have commemorated Banneker's documented and mythical accomplishments throughout the years since he lived". If you do not wish to do this, add a link to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" to the lead, or add citations to reliable sources that support this sentence.
If you do not wish to make these corrections, please revert the page split that you created from "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". If you do not do so, you will have failed to follow the steps in Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure and will have vandalized "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". Corker1 (talk) 08:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Split page
edit@Onetwothreeip: You have split "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker into two separate pages ("Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" and "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker"). When doing this, you removed context from the new "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" that existed before your split.
You have also not created links to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" from the main article ("Benjamin Banneker") and from other Wikipedia articles that link to "Mythology and Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". You have therefore made "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" into an orphan that few users will be able to access. In addition, you created "cite errors" within "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" that notices within the page's reference section identify as "Cite error: The named reference (citation) was invoked but never defined (see the help page)".
The lead to "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" states: "A United States postage stamp and the names of a number of recreational and cultural facilities, schools, streets and other facilities and institutions throughout the United States have commemorated Banneker's documented and mythical accomplishments throughout the years since he lived." However, because of the split that you created, "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" does not contain any information about these commemorations, and further, does not contain citations to reliable sources that support information about commemorations.
Further, you have not complied with Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure, which states:
If an article meets the criteria for splitting and no discussion is required, editors can be bold and carry out the split. If unsure, or with high-profile or sensitive articles, start a "Split" discussion on the article talk page, and consider informing any associated WikiProject(s). Additionally, adding one of the splitting templates will display a notice on the article and list it at Category:Articles to be split. This will help bring it to the attention of editors who may assist in establishing consensus, in deciding if a split is appropriate, or in carrying out the split. Templates used without an accompanying rationale, and where there is no obvious reason for the split request, may be removed at any time.
Note: To conform with Wikipedia's licensing requirements, which require that all content contributors receive attribution, the page receiving the split material must have an edit summary noting "split content from article name". (Do not omit this step or omit the page name.) A note should also be made in the edit summary of the source article, "split content to article name". The "Copied" template can also be placed on the talk page of both articles. For further information, refer to the main Copying within Wikipedia guideline.
Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure describes the following six steps that editors need to take when considering and conducting a page split:
- Step 1: Create a discussion
- Step 2: Add notice
- Step 3: Discuss
- Step 4: Close the discussion and determine the consensus
- Step 5: Perform the splitting
- Step 6: Clean up
You performed Step 5, but did not perform any of the other five steps.
I therefore reverted the changes that you made to restore the original text of "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" to correct the errors that you made. However, you subsequently reverted my edits without an adequate explanation.
When preparing to move a Wikipedia page, a message entitled "Move Mythology and commemorations of (page)" appears. This message states: "This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding. Please read Wikipedia:Moving a page for more detailed instructions." The same is true for splitting a page into two or more pages.
You justified your reversions with statements such as "Blanking the article or merging the article into another article is most decidedly not an appropriate way to address the issues of context in the article" and "No need for commemorations to be in the same article as mythology. If one of the articles lacks context, context should be added, not the articles merged."
Editors that split or move pages bear the responsibility of appropriately addressing issues of context in the article that they have created and for adding context. They should not expect other editors to assume this responsibility.
Editors that make comments such as "split or move pages merging the article into another article is most decidedly not an appropriate way to address the issues of context in the article" need to provide an "appropriate way" for others to correct the errors that they have created. "Wikipedia:Moving a page" describes such "appropriate ways" to undo a move (or a split). However, it is difficult to undo a page move (or a split) when a subsequent edit has changed a page (see Wikipedia:Moving a page#Undoing a move). In some instances, only an administrator can resolve these difficulties.
Please therefore correct all of the errors that your changes have introduced. Add context to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". Define the named references (citations) that the page now invokes. Provide links to "Commemorations of Benjamin Benneker" in other Wikipedia articles that now incorrectly link to "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker", rather to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker".
Remove the sentence in the lead to "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" that states: "A United States postage stamp and the names of a number of recreational and cultural facilities, schools, streets and other facilities and institutions throughout the United States have commemorated Banneker's documented and mythical accomplishments throughout the years since he lived". If you do not wish to do this, add a link to "Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker" to the lead, or add citations to reliable sources that support this sentence.
If you do not wish to make these corrections, please revert the page split that you created from "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". If you do not do so, you will have failed to follow the steps in Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure and will have vandalized "Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker". Corker1 (talk) 08:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Onetwothreeip has not reverted the page split or corrected most of the errors that the split created. Among those errors were:
- The loss of 16 links to references that Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker contained but which Onetwothreeip did not copy to Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker.
- The loss of much of the context of Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker, as Onetwothreeip did not correct this loss after an editor placed a Template:Context tag at the top of the page.
- Onetwothreeip did not copy into Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker the Template:Use mdy dates that was located at the top of Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker but which was retained only in Mythology of Benjamin Banneker.
- The split made Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker into an orphan that Onetwothreeip did not correct.
- The split carried over to Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker many references that were irrelevant to that page.
- I have therefore made these corrections myself. Corker1 (talk) 20:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)