Talk:Commuter Airlines

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Fair use rationale for Image:Commuter Airlines.jpg

Image:Commuter Airlines.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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BetacommandBot 22:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion (April 2024)

Whilst agreeing that the article requires (radical) editing, I would not agree to it's deletion. This is a defunct airline, and there are plenty of others listed here on wikipedia with minimal information, and quite frequently much smaller fleet sizes.

Airliners.net have FIVE good photos of Commuter Airlines, ranging from an unremarkable PA-31 Navajo, thru' two SA-226TC Metros, and finishing with two of their five Convair 580s - relative large equipment by regional airline standards of that period. The photos are taken at White Plains, Washington (Ronald Reagan National) and New York (JFK). The latter two alone indicate an airline of some 'significance'.

https://www.airliners.net/search?airline=17193&display=detail

Meanwhile a production list for Beech 18s identifies some 900 individual ex USAF C-45s re-manufactured 'as new' between 1951-54, with Broome County Aviation & Commuter Airlines mentioned a number of times. e.g. 'Broome County Aviation purchased the rights to Dumod conversions, including the jigs in '68 and completed the third Infinite II/Dumod Liner (AF-690) under the name Commuter Aircraft Manufacturing Corp: the fourth conversion (AF-160) was abandoned and sold for scrap.' This is slightly incidental to Commuter Airlines per se, but it is at least a second source of some sort.

https://goodall.com.au/beech18-production/beech18-part-3.pdf

I could strip this article down to it's bare bones to ensure everything was tight, but as regards deletion, I would hope the standards could be a little relaxed because we are dealing with a defunct airline. WP:DEFUNCT-AIRLINES

WendlingCrusader (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with what you are saying, however I believe that the overview section on the article needs a reliable source for verification because I was unable to find any sources suggesting that Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb signed a proclamation recognizing Jerry Winston. If that claim cannont be verified, it will need to be removed. ImTheAvidPheasant (talk) 17:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

After being offline for almost two days, I have literally just come back online with that specific intention. Maybe it's the American way, but the entire article seemed to be more about Jerry (& Irene) Winston, and only incidentally about the airline as a whole. I have also drawn a blank regarding the 'Cleveland Airport System Hall of Fame', so there will be some drastic pruning. I'm on it!

p.s. Did you see my comment about the original source only being available to US IP addresses?

https://www.mcall.com/mc-xpm-1984-10-16-2449060-story.html

Content not available in your region!

WendlingCrusader (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I have found an archive of the source, im adding it to the citation now. I'm also assuming that we can remove the single source template now that more sources have been added. ImTheAvidPheasant (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

A huge thankyou for that crucial piece of the jigsaw. I can now see exactly what to keep, and what (regrettably) isn't supported by the limited documentation & images available to us here in 2024. e.g. I cannot find an obituary for Jerry Winston (unless he was born Gerald Weinstein, and died in Ohio?) or anything related to wife & co-founder(?) Irene. With that in view, a few more tweaks will have pruned it back to what is now justifiable, and then all I need to do is throw it all back up in the air and re-write it from scratch in a more sensible/coherent order.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 10:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)