Talk:Comte de Lautréamont

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Not sure of usual article placement, should this be under his real name Isidore Ducasse or under his better known pseudonym? Greg Godwin

It's usual to put the article under the name a person is best known by - in this case the pseudonym. However, it's normally best to make a redirect from their real name in case somebody links to that in the future - I've just made such a redirect here: Isidore Ducasse. --Camembert

Slipped my mind completely, cheers Cam! Greg Godwin

Issues with latest Edits - Dec 2006

I'm afraid that the latest series of additions to this page, while clearly meant in good faith, repeat key information and fail to do so in a way that adheres to the rules of English grammar. In addition, most of the new material is unsourced and the objective view-point has disappeared. Dec. 15th, 2006.

Not at all. It carries much more information now. If improvement in Grammar is needed - please do so! --Phillippp 01:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Once again, assuming the good faith of the previous poster as well as those who have "cleaned up" this page, I wish to present reasons for a real consideration of a reversion of the recent edits to this page. Though the previous poster claims "more information" has been added, it is a)redundant information, and, (b) information that has been added in an "essay manner"--i.e. full of loaded language, that effectively destroys the neutral point of view of this article. With these points in mind, I suggest a total reversion to the point just previous to the previous poster's additions to this page. By doing this we will be effectively returning to a neutral point of view. We can then begin to work from there. Suggestions (given in good faith) are welcome. Jesse Glass

Agree with Jesse. Lautreamont is important enough to art/literary history to warrant a major article, but this thing is almost citation-free. Lexo 19:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Great! Let's wait for a few more opinions and then begin. Jeses Glass 19: 40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There are some factual as well as myriad grammatical/syntactical errors on this page that should be cleaned up. I am glad to lend a hand. Tim —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nouche (talk • contribs) 16:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Copyedit

I have a few concerns/queries about this article:

• There is a phrase in the Youth section: "rhetoric and philosophy (under and uppergreat)." Under and uppergreat mean absolutely nothing to me, leading me to think that this might be a mistake, but if it does make sense, my apologies. A clarification might be in order?
• Also I have concerns about the section Les Chants de Maldoror - there is a section "60 verses of different length (I/14, II/16, III/5, IV/8, V/7, VI/10), which were originally not numbered". The set of numbers in brackets also makes no sense to me. Help?

the numbers mean I: first canto, /14, fourteen stanzas. I think that the section on the Chants should be moved to the page dedicated to Les Chants de Maldoror.--130.89.166.237 21:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• And the references need sorting out, see WP:FOOT for notes on how to reference.
• Please clarify "André Gide regarded him as the most significant figure, meriting Aragon, Breton and Soupault, "to have recognized and announced the literary..." - what do you mean by meriting?
• The end of the Surrealism section is very bitty - this either needs more information for each point, or some way of linking the points.

Thanks, Cricketgirl 13:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

There are at least two extant pictures of Msr. Ducasse; one on the cover of the Pleiade Edition of his complete works, and another obtainable with a Google image search. Neither one is probably under copyright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.213.237 (talk) 02:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is only one photo that may be Ducasse, but it hasn't been definitively verified. Coming as he did from a wealthy family, it would be surprising if no photos existed, but the photo which is said to be of Ducasse is still unproven. The one used on this page may very well be him, and Lefrère includes it in his biography, but as a "possible" photo. I'd like to think it is Ducasse, the provenance makes it very possible, but still, not 100% certain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB19:8D57:9E00:4C4F:2862:DA87:A269 (talk) 12:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I need to apologize for my last comment about there being only one photo of Ducasse. Apparently there's a baby photo as well. Both haven't been 100% proven to be Ducasse but they do come from the Dazet family so they may well be. Adkins (talk) 09:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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Uruguay

Can someone please tell me what does 'accidentally born in Uruguay' mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grtrwaxmoth (talk • contribs) 16:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Good question! His father was working there so nothing really accidental. Nor indications in his bio his birth was unwanted. So yeah, weird phrase. Adkins (talk) 10:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

bisexual

Is there a clear scholarly consensus that this guy was bisexual, or did he ever self-identify as such. If not, WP:EGRS comes into play and we should remove the LGBT cats - for dead ppl we need scholarly consensus that he was bi, not just theories of one academic. I didn't find anything in google scholar or google books in a quick search on same.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It's possible some sources are in French. Les Chants de Maldoror features both straight and gay love/sex and is seen as confessional by many ("I have always taken infamous fancy to the pale youngsters in schools and the sickly mill-children") but that definitely doesn't warrant his inclusion in those categories. Now that you mention it, I don't actually remember reading anything about his relationships, he was quite a recluse. I'll do some research --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

you need more than bisexual themes in his work - rather a statement or consensus from leading scholars of this guy that he was bisexual - also noting that bisexuality wasn't really known as an identity when he was alive I think. Even if he had romantic relationships with men and women this still isn't enough - it's not circumstantial evidence, we need more affirmation of that identity. Jodi Foster still isn't tagged as gay because she hasn't made an explicit declaration of said identity. Who she dates is irrelevant.-Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I completely agree, I'm not sure if we're going to get those sources but I'm interested to find out. He wasn't seen as particularly notable until the Surrealists championed him after his death so it may be difficult. Also, there is a poem by André Breton on Lautréamont that I would recommend reading if you are interested --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 03:04, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Lefrère asked the question in his biography and doesn't answer. He dedicates one short paragraph to the topic. Seeing how thorough the book is, I take this as a good indication that we just cannot know based on the evidence. — Preceding [[W Adkins (talk) 06:51, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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Note: cite much of article in terms of Knight's introduction

At present the article contains multiple as-yet unsourced claims which can be referenced to the Paul Knight introduction. This serves as a note-to-self for future workup. MinnesotanUser (talk) 06:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Death of mother

Lefrère's biography, which is a must-read if you read French, suggests that his mother may -- I emphasize may -- have committed suicide. I don't know if this should be added to the page or not

Off topic: That the Lefrère bio isn't available in English is simply criminal. Weird that for someone whose bio is supposedly so obscure Lefrère managed to write 600+ pages about Ducasse's life and times. For an obscure provincial poet (Pau and Tarbes are today still pretty much backwaters), we actually know quite a bit about him. Man, if you can manage to get a hold of Lefrère's biography, do yourself a favor. The stuff he managed to discover is mind-blowing. I'm thinking of sending a letter to Fayard and proposing to translate it myself.

BTW, the article says he first used his famous pseudonym in the anthology Parfums de l'Âme, but I just read about that and it says he published as "***". I could be mistaken, but I think this part of the article may need to be reviewed. Adkins (talk) 11:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)