Talk:Conductor

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I want to move the list of conductors (the musical kind) from orchestra to here, but I don't know if there's eventually going to be a conflict with the electrical sort of conductor at this page. I don't want to move the list, write a bit about the history of musical conductors and so on if it'll cause a problem later. Should there be a conductor (music) or should I just move the list here and wait to see what develops? --Camembert

In my opinion, we can probably leave it as it is for now. Later when we have more stuff we should split the page into two parts, the electrical and the musical parts. --Tbackstr

I like conductor for orchestra leader and conductor (engineering) or conductor (electricity) for wires. --Ed Poor 18:55 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)

I'd vote for this solution, however, I think it's upon the English-speaking to decide. The German link actually points to "Dirigent", musical conductor. If you move something, please adjust it accordingly. --Elian

Another possibility is to strip off a List of famous conductors. Since a ticket-taker is unlikely to be famous, it will be clear that the list concerns orcherstra leaders. That leaves three short descriptions of:

• material with low resistance to electricity
• person who leads an orchestra
• person who takes tickets on a train

--Ed Poor

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Well, I've moved in the musical conductors stuff, so we'll see what happens.

A question about what I moved in - is direttori the Italian word for "conductors" or does it have some more specific meaning like kappelmeister does? If it's just a synonym, it should just be mentioned at the start of the article, and other times we should use "conductor". Also, what is the singular form of "direttori"? --Camembert

"Direttore". - Montrealais

I don't know about the usage of this word either. Nevilley 09:35 Nov 12, 2002 (UTC)

I wrote to Gianfranco about this (it was he who first put the word in the article), and he replied thus:

Hi Gianfranco - you don't seem to be around very much these days, but I hope you can help me with something over at conductor. I'm wondering if the Italian term direttori (which you introduced to a section of the orchestra article which I've since moved to conductor) is exactly equivalent to "conductors" or if it means something more specific (for instance, is it only applied to conductors of opera, ballet, other stage works; or only to well established conductors; or something else). Thanks. --Camembert

Hi Camembert, I believe that Direttori (singular: Direttore) mostly coincides with the English Conductors. It is indeed a degree in artistic careers that is in use in many disciplines and it should correspond to the function of the one who has the duty of organising and coordinating an artistic show. But, like in the most evident example of Opera, the Direttore is not always the general artistic organiser of whole show - Visconti and Zeffirelli, just to mention a couple of cases, produced "their" famous interpretations of Opera works with no directly musical performance. So Direttore applies to the organisation and coordination in the respective field of competence.

In formal language, we have the "Direttore d'Orchestra", the "Direttore del Corpo di Ballo" and so on; recently, new forms were also added like the ugly "Maestro direttore" or "Maestro programmatore", but these are reserved to special careers (like for radio-TV companies' orchestras).

The title is quite bureaucratic, in the sense that it is not reserved to the really most important "bacchette" only. We have plenty of unknown Conductors that merely have completed a course of studies in the Conservatories (this happens also for the word "Maestro"), so they have achieved a sort of official administrative licence to conduct, but no serious impresario would ever let them govern an important orchestra (even if sometimes... ;-)

In general language, consider that a true Direttore is a good Conductor.

Long hair is not mandatory :-) --G

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I took out the "nowadays" for Kappellmeister - it's not exactly a new term! :) Also, is Maestro really used for instrumentalists. I think of it as being conductors only. Views? evidence??

Presumably you know that musicians have been known to refer to bad conductors as insulators? :) Probably not suitable for the article. Nevilley 09:33 Nov 12, 2002 (UTC)

Kapellmeister is not a new term, agreed, but it hasn't always been synonymous with conductor, which is why I included the word "nowadays" - see Kapellmeister (which isn't a great article, but does make the distinction between original and modern use). The word, I think, was in use before conductors as we know them today were common. --Camembert

OK I admit I am floored by this, and have put back "nowadays". I may have to go away and think it over. Thanks. Nevilley 12:54 Nov 12, 2002 (UTC)

I think there's probably a better way to phrase it, by the way - I just can't think what that way might be right now --Camembert

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OK, I'm planning on writing at some length about the history of conducting (the musical kind), conducting technique, and so on. How about keeping the List of famous conductors, but moving the other musical stuff from this page to a page called Conducting, which seems reasonably unambiguous to me. Then we can have the electrical and other conductors here, with a note pointing to Conducting for the musical kind. --Camembert

• Sounds eminently sensible to me. Nev

What is conductor? Hnin Ei (talk) 13:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Merging from Conduction

Conduction appears to principally repeat the information here, and these dabs should be merged. -- JHunterJ 13:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Conductor

What is conductor? Hnin Ei (talk) 13:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)