Talk:Conflict in Rakhine State (2016–present)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Tone issues

At least a fifth of this article is written in an editorial or informal tone, similar to the language commonly used in editorial articles, news reports, personal essays and/or school textbooks. For example, "...thousands of Rohingyas have fled..." is a more formal and solid phrase than "...hundreds, maybe thousands of Rohingyas have made flight..." as the second one implies uncertainty and uses metaphors in place of actual actions. This kind of writing is common and generally acceptable in blogs, news articles and textbooks, but does not fit WP:TONE and the emphasis on formal writing and language. Wikipedia is not a political mouthpiece, therefore one must be careful how they paraphrase sources. If one infers something from a source, it is generally not a good idea to write it down as fact. This isn't a major issue on this article, but it is something I've noticed with recent [IP] edits. CentreLeftRight ✉ 04:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed move to "Northern Rakhine State violence"

Propose this article be moved to Northern Rakhine State violence (2016–present), or even Rakhine State violence (2016–present) for simplicity. This is because the events involve clashes along with other forms of violence.VR _talk 02:23, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

If it were not for the rapidly unfolding events, at present, I'd probably agree. There are WAY too many separate Wikipedia articles about the Rohingya, which overlap, or duplicate, or simply take opposing views of the same topic... HOWEVER...

The current rash of major events -- with the current events suddenly exploding into a massive humanitarian crisis and exodus, and ethnic-cleansing / genocide event -- one of the century's largest so far -- just in the last three weeks -- there's simply too much important NEW news to process, to have to also go back, and merge and reorganize all the OLD information. It would be like trying to re-shoe a galloping horse -- or remodel a house while it's sliding off a cliff.

NOW is NOT the time. But later... when/if this calms down, let's talk, OK?

~ Penlite (talk) 11:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

P.S.: This is an exceedingly controversial, complex and politically sensitive topic (currently generationg global attention, outrage, govenrmental statemetns & actions of numerous nations, and the U.N. -- and involves over a million people in a life-or-death crisis. This creates a need for exceeding care in article editing -- all the more reason to wait to merge articles until things are less chaotic and dynamic.

~ Penlite (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not asking to re-organize this article. I'm saying the "clashes" in the title should be replaced with "violence". That's all.VR _talk 10:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

The intention I had when I created this page was to separate this event into two pages focused on two things: 1. The military crackdown/genocide/persecution (whatever you want to call it) of [Muslim] Rohingya civilians in northern Rakhine State and 2. The [armed] clashes between members of Myanmar's security forces and insurgents of the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA). The two articles are this one and the Rohingya persecution in Myanmar (2016–present). My original goal was to separate the events in Rakhine State into two pages so each could have a specific primary focus, one on the crackdown and one on the armed clashes. The keyword is primary focus. If we removed all information on the crackdown on this page and/or all the information on the insurgent attacks on the persecution page, we would just be propagating opposite sides of a heated political war. Thus to change the title to include "violence" instead of "clashes" would be misleading and (in my opinion) require the merging of this article and Rohingya persecution in Myanmar (2016–present). The main problem is that "violence" is a non-specific word, you could be talking about the clashes or the crackdown on civlians; they are not the same thing.

TL;DR @Vice regent: (In my opinion) "Violence" is a very general word that has a very broad range of possible context. You could be referring to the military crackdown on civilians or the armed conflict between the army and the insurgents. These two things are of course very different, so if you changed the title to include "violence" you could imply the whole event and unintentionally create a debate on merging the two articles.

Nikarin me ragirin. – GeneralAdmiralAladeen (Têkilî min) 23:20, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 2016–17 Northern Rakhine State clashes

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2016–17 Northern Rakhine State clashes's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Derek":

• From Rohingya people: Derek Tonkin. "The 'Rohingya' Identity - British experience in Arakan 1826-1948". The Irrawaddy. Archived from the original on 19 January 2015. Retrieved 19 January 2015. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 2012 Rakhine State riots: Derek Tonkin. "The 'Rohingya' Identity - British experience in Arakan 1826-1948". The Irrawaddy. Retrieved 19 January 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:23, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Richard Branson, prominent human rights activist?

"...nearly two dozen prominent human rights activists, including Malala Yousafzai, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Richard Branson..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:448:C500:1F53:21C:B3FF:FE74:2848 (talk) 12:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)