Talk:Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments

Naming

User:SportingFlyer recommends a name change for the article. I think WP:COMMONNAME is the operable standard here, which is clearly “MetroCOG.” This is supported by one of the citations in the article and by three secondary sources I found. If the page survives AfD, there should be a move discussion. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Support. It is the official name per http://www.ctmetro.org/about-us/#.W8tMgN-YW1s, and it is the way such groups are typically done on WP such as EU or Comecon. I would also support Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments (MetroCog). Markvs88 (talk) 15:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Support name change IF the article content focuses on the governmental body and does not focus entirely on the geographic subject matter. I believe the formal Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments is more informative then simply MetroCOG to the average reader. There are many Metropolitan Council of Governments. I propose that MetroCOG be a redirect to the article. Reasoning, per WP:COMMONNAME. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 15:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Support MetroCOG per AfD comment. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:14, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Support for Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments with a MetroCOG redirect. Not too fussed about the outcome, but it should definitely be renamed. I prefer precision to conciseness here as MetroCOG feels overly local. SportingFlyer talk 06:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 26 October 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Closed. Active discussion is at Talk:Metropolitan_Connecticut#Requested_move_26_October_2018, contribute there. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 08:39, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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Metropolitan Connecticut → MetroCOG – Metropolitan Connecticut is a misleading name, and Metro COG is the best name for the article per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. This policy serves readers who often access Wikipedia pages via search engines. User:SportingFlyer originally suggested a renaming. This fits well with my brief research on Metropolitan Connecticut. Searches based on “Metropolitan Connecticut” did not lead to meaningful results. In fact, this was the basis of JJBers claim that the subject was not notable. However, I started finding meaningful results when I used “MetroCOG” as a search key.

The COMMONNAME policy recognizes that subjects often have multiple names, and establishes a standard for choosing among those, “Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above.” (The five criteria are recognizability, naturalness, precision, conciseness, and consistency.) The original source of the article, the Metropolitan Connecticut web site, does not use “Metropolitan Connecticut” anywhere on the page. It uses “MetroCOG” and “Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments.” As “Metropolitan Connecticut” is not used in any of the sources cited, this name is clearly wrong, leaving just two names under reasonable consideration. All of the other sources use both of these names, but using “Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments” once in each article while using “MetroCOG” for all other mentions; therefore, both of these qualify under COMMONNAME. However, WP:NAMINGCRITERIA tips the scale in favor of “MetroCOG,” which satisfies naturalness, “one that readers are likely to look or search,” and conciseness. “MetroCOG” satisfies the other three criteria at least as well as “Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Goverments.”

To summarize, the current title is untenable according to COMMONNAME. “MetroCOG” and “Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments” both satisfy COMMONNAME, but “MetroCOG” is better based on NAMINGCRITERIA. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:28, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Request for comments @Markvs88, Randomeditor1000, Power~enwiki, SportingFlyer, JJBers Public, AirportExpert, Magnolia677, and Szzuk: Please copy and paste old comments into this move discussion section or write new comments if you have an opinion. Thank you, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:36, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Support. I would prefer Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments (MetroCog), as it is more descriptive, but can get behind the official name of MetroCog,[1] as it is the customary style on WP such as EU or Comecon. Markvs88 (talk) 12:46, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Support. Either "Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments (MetroCog)" or "MetroCog". Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Support. Since I didn't realize that MetroCOG was also the name for this organization, I support moving the page to that name. —JJB^ers 13:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Support any move over current title, propose ALT1: Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments due to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. MetroCOG again is a short branding nickname that is used by multiple government agencies. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC MetroCOG is NOT a preferable move title and for that reason WP:NAMINGCRITERIA should not be used to support 'MetroCOG'. MetroCOG is equally meaningless to the average reader, who has no idea which Council of governments the article is referring to. Every metropolitan planning organization (MPO) in the US uses the term metro in their materials. Even this agency in it's own materials use the full Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments frequently. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Support I support the move to "Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments", with a redirect to this page from "Connecticut MetroCOG".--AirportExpert (talk) 15:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)AirportExpert

Remove Support for MetroCOG and Support "Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments (MetroCog)." User:Randomeditor1000 is correct that precision and naturalness are no longer in play if the name fails to distinguish itself from other topics, but they also greatly exaggerate the circumstances. What is at issue is the name "MetroCOG," not whether various agencies use names which include metro. A web search reveals exactly two agencies using the name "MetroCOG." The other agency is a COG from Fargo-Moorhead (ND and MN), which currently lacks a Wikipedia article. I contend that we can still use MetroCOG as a redirect to Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments (MetroCog). Redirects are easy to change. When someone creates a page for the Fargo-Moorehead COG, then "MetroCOG" can redirect to a disambiguation page. Policy prevents us from creating a disambiguation page to distinguish a red link. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 16:37, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Is this all moot? The page under discussion is not "Metropolitan Connecticut." I made this assumption because the deletion discussion was made under that title. "Metropolitan Connecticut" looks like a redirect to Connecticut Metropolitan Council of Governments. Does anyone know the story? Oldsanfelipe (talk) 17:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

It was moved by Airport Expert. —JJB^ers 18:20, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@AirportExpert: Move discussions should remain open for at least a week. Second, the editor making the moves should not an involved party. And no, there does not appear to be a consensus at this time. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

My apologies, I thought consensus was reached on this subject and it was okay to move the page at this time (since I was the one who named it "Metropolitan Connecticut" upon creation of the article). Should I revert this move until the discussion is closed?--AirportExpert (talk) 19:35, 26 October 2018 (UTC)AirportExpert

Moving discussion back to Talk:Metropolitan Connecticut. —JJB^ers 21:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Metropolitan Connecticut which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 15:19, 26 October 2018 (UTC)