Talk:Constable of the Tower

Constable and Lieutenant of the Tower

I'm wondering why there is a redirect from Lieutenant of the Tower to this article. For example, Sir Edmund Walsingham was Lieutenant of the Tower from 1521 until 1547, succeeding Sir Richard Cholmley, yet neither was Constable. Should there not be a separate article on the Lieutenants of the Tower?NinaGreen (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Good question, especially when there are five names listed under Category:Lieutenants of the Tower of London. Richard Harvey (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

A clear indication that there were two separate offices is found in Bridgett, Thomas Edward, Life and Writings of Sir Thomas More, (London: Burns & Oates Limited, 1891), in which the Constable of the Tower while More was a prisoner there is identified on p. 425 as Sir William Kingston [1] while the Lieutenant of the Tower at the time is identified at p. 365 as Sir Edmund Walsingham [2]. I'll make an enquiry at the Help Desk to see whether the original article on the Lieutenant of the Tower can be restored. NinaGreen (talk) 15:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I've created an article Lieutenant of the Tower of London. NinaGreen (talk) 18:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I've added a link and the category to the Tower of London article. Richard Harvey (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Merge Lord Lieutenant of the Tower Hamlets into Constable of the Tower

The lists are almost the same during the period when the office of Lord Lieutenant of the Tower Hamlets existed and could conveniently be merged. The only substantial difference is Hatton Compton is listed as Lord Lieutenant during the first two years of Charles Howard, 3rd Earl of Carlisle as Constable, and that is I think a mistake as the cited source says something different and Compton is also listed as Lieutenant of the Tower of London. There are a few other cases where the stated start date is a year later for Constable than Lord Lieutenant, which may be a real difference (in which case it can be stated in the notes) or some artifact (date of order v effect v gazette, pre-1752 year, etc.)

Person	LL dates	Constable dates
Robert Lucas, 3rd Baron Lucas of Shenfield	1688–1702	8 April 1689 – June 1702
Charles Cornwallis, 2nd Earl Cornwallis	1770–1784	4 January 1771 – 1784
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington	1826–1852	29 January 1827 – 14 September 1852
Robert Napier, 1st Baron Napier of Magdala	1886–1890	1887–1889

jnestorius^(talk) 15:54, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jnestorius: With no opposition to your suggestion in four months of waiting, I think you're clear to proceed with the merge as you've described. Joyous! | Talk 18:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Done and done. jnestorius^(talk) 01:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Mislinking

'William Bourchier, Viscount Bourchier' should link to the Marriage and issue section of 'Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex' as otherwise slightly baffling to the casual reader.

The most obvious eternal sources for him are genealogical in nature and somewhat repetitive. Jackiespeel (talk) 19:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)