Talk:Contra la Corriente (song)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aoba47 (talk · contribs) 04:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Apologies in advance if this is a silly question. Is there a standard practice to presenting English translations or is it more up to personal preference? I find the method used in the Amarte Es un Placer article to be cleaner so I wanted to your perspective. I do not have a lot of experience working on non-English subject matters.
• For this part, with production being handled by Ángel "Cucco" Peña, I'd remove "being" as it is not necessary.
• I'd revise this sentence It was released as the fifth single from the album in 1998. to RMM released it as the album's fifth single in 1998. It is preferable to name the record label in the prose, and since the previous two sentences are more passive, I'd use a more active voice here to keep the prose dynamic and engaging.
• I would avoid "the singer" as done in this sentence: A salsa song, the singer is evoked with nostalgia of love from the past. I do not believe this is specified in Wikipedia policy, but I do agree with this essay, Wikipedia:The problem with elegant variation, and I believe the prose would be strengthened without using this word choice. Also, "evoked" does not really make sense in this context.
• I have a few comments about this part, "Contra la Corriente" was praised by two music critics. The article has three reviews of the song La Prensa de San Antonio, The Philadelphia Inquirer, and La Prensa so it is not two critics. I'd remove the number and just so it was praised by music critics.
• This is a clarification question. Does both the Lo Nuestro Awards and Billboard Latin Music Awards use Tropical Song of the Year as a category? I am only asking this as the lead gives off that impression.
• Shouldn't Notimex be linked somewhere in the lead? I am not familiar with these charts so I would trust your judgement here.
• The word "it" is used a fair bit in the second paragraph and it makes the prose rather repetitive. I would revise this part further to avoid this.
• I would revise this sentence The song was covered by Puerto Rican singer Ángel López as a ballad on his studio album Historias de Amor (2010). to Puerto Rican singer Ángel López covered this song as a ballad on his studio album Historias de Amor (2010). to present in the active tense, which is more engaging to readers.
• I do not think the "See also" section and link is necessary here.

Infobx

• Add WP:ALT text for the image.
• Do we know a more specific date for this song's release as a single than just the year?
• What citation(s) is supporting that this song was recorded in 1997? I do not see this reflected in the article, but I could be overlooking it.
• The citation for the studio parameter is not necessary as this information should be in the article itself with the citation.
• The lead and infobox connects the song with salsa, but I would more clearly define that in the article, specifically in the "Background and composition" section. The song is only specifically named a salsa song in the "Promotion and reception" section by the La Prensa de San Antonio quote.
• Do you think "No Me Conoces" has the potential to have its own independent article? I'm only asking as it is currently red linked. I do not have any issue with that as red links are a good thing, but from my experience and understanding, they are only used to signal subject matters that could have an article.

Background and composition

• Link and fully name Marc Anthony on the first instance in the article.
• I would create separate paragraphs for the background and the composition. Having this singular paragraph is not particularly conducive for reading and engagement in the material.
• I do not think the parenthetical (released by RMM) is the best way to present this information.
• This section appears to be rushing through the information and I feel like there are some gaps in information. Like, why was George unable to produce Anthony's music anymore? I also think the prose in general could use some further work.
• For this part,Anthony got together with Puerto Rican musician, I think got together is too informal for Wikipedia.
• Why is this part, having previously worked with other artists such as Gilberto Santa Rosa and Willie Colón, relevant to the article? Did his work with other artists influence why Anthony worked with him? If so, the connection needs to be clearer.
• In the past, who composed three tracks on the last album, it was not immediately clear what the last album was referencing? I would name it.
• Did Peña produce just this song for the album or did he do any others?
• I'd attribute this quote "medium-paced salsa rhythm" in the prose. Right now, it is presented in Wikipedia's voice and it is unclear who is saying it. I have the same comment for this quote "evokes nostalgia of a good love from the past".
• For this part, was added to Marc Anthony's greatest hits album Desde un Principio: From the Beginning (1999), I would instead say was released on. The current phrasing sounds off to me.
• The sentence about the song's appearance on compilation albums does not really make sense in a section about the song's recording and composition and lyrics. I would move it to the following section instead.

I hope that this review is helpful. It has been a while since I have done a review so my skills are somewhat rusty. I believe the article would benefit from a GOCE copy-edit, but that is more of a suggestion. I will continue my review tomorrow, but feel free to respond to my points now. I hope you are doing well and staying safe. Aoba47 (talk) 04:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Promotion and reception

• I have two comments for this sentence: "Y Hubo Alguien" was released as the fifth single from the album in 1998. Link single to be consistent with the lead, and use the album's name rather than "the album"
• For this part, Marc Anthony delivered a performance the song in prior to the album's release at the Madison Square Garden in New York City., "in prior to" is grammatically incorrect and should instead just be "prior to". Also, it should be "a performance of the song" instead of "a performance the song". I would also provide a clearer time frame for this performance. It was sometime before the album release, but it is not clear when it was.
• The wording for this sentence, Three years later, he performed the song live at the same venue which was later released on his live video album The Concert from Madison Square Garden (2001)., is awkwardly constructed. If read literally, it reads more like the venue was released on the live album. This would benefit from further copy-editing.
• This section uses quite a bit of "the song"/"the album" rather than just naming either of these two things. I'd vary it up more and look at spots where things could be confusing to the reader.
• As an example of my above point, this sentence, On the review of the album for La Prensa de San Antonio, is right after the information on Historias de Amor so I would use the album title here instead to avoid any confusion.
• I have a clarification question for this sentence: The song, along with the rest of the album, was arranged and produced by Alfanno. Did Alfanno arrange and produce the covers for the album? I am only asking because a majority of cover albums that I have heard do not have the original artist also do the arrangement and production of the covers.
• For this part, La Prensa listed it, I would say "a reviewer for La Prensa" or something similar to have this part be more consistent with the previous two sentences where names are used. It would also clarify it in the prose that the writer's name is not known.
• I would make the chart information into a third paragraph. It is a separate topic from the reviews and it would make this section more readable and engaging.
• I would incorporate and link Notimex into this section since it is present in the "Chart" section.
• Avoid repeating "reached" in two sentences in a row.
• I have a comment for this part, with the top spot being held off by Carlos Ponce's song "Decir Adios". I would avoid the sentence construction "with X verb-ing". I have received and seen this note in the past. The prose would be stronger without this so I'd encourage you to revise this out of the article as a whole.
• Add dates to the chart information (i.e. when they reached these positions).
• Information about the US Hot Latin Songs (Billboard) year-end chart should be in the prose as well. Currently, the article only has information about one of the two year-end charts in the prose.

References

• I'd be consistent with either including the publisher or not. For instance, citation 2 has the publisher while citation 17 does not have the publisher. I do not think the publisher is necessary, but I would be consistent with one or the other.
• Continuing from the previous point, Prometheus Global Media is included in citation 28, but not for the other Billboard citations.
• Link AllMusic in citation 1. It seems like the websites are linked on their first instances.
• Link ImpreMedia.
• I am uncertain about the way Billboard is linked. It is currently linked in citation 26, which is not the first instance a Billboard citation is used. It should be linked on citation 20 instead.
• For citation 20, I would also include the ISSN number.
• In the citations, the Spanish title should have translations.

I hope the review is helpful. I will look through the article again when the above comments are addressed. Have a great rest of your day and/or night! Aoba47 (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

• @Magiciandude: Pinging the nominator to see how the nomination is going as it has been a few days since I have posted my comments. Aoba47 (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd like to request one more week, life has been in the way. Erick (talk) 18:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Take as much time as you need. Aoba47 (talk) 19:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: Apologies for the second ping. Just wanted to see how you were doing with this review. Aoba47 (talk) 01:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Requesting another week, I've been going through some mental health crisis. Erick (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• No worries. I hope that I am not pressuring you in any way. There is not any time limit to this as far as I am concerned and best of luck with everything. I am sorry to hear about your situation. Aoba47 (talk) 02:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• I am sorry, but I will ✗ Fail this GAN as it has been 15 days since the last message. I wish you the best of luck with your mental health. Aoba47 (talk) 02:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)