Talk:Contrapuntal Forms (Hepworth)

Requested move 7 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: retain the current, new title Contrapuntal Forms (Hepworth) for now, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:11, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Contrapunctal Forms → Contrapuntal Forms – Currently has incorrect spelling of the title of the sculpture (which is also the page title). I've corrected the title in the text but cannot change the page title. Correct spelling can be confirmed at the website of the Hepworth estate http://barbarahepworth.org.uk/commissions/list/contrapuntal-forms.html. Also recorded with same spelling in the Tate Gallery archives, which show the title handwritten by Hepworth in her Volumes of Sculpture Records. The correct spelling is 'Contrapuntal Forms'. Thanks 57NS (talk) 23:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC) 57NS (talk) 23:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Good spot. That is undoubtedly correct, but we have a redirect at Contrapuntal Forms to the article on musical counterpoint (which mentions contrapuntal forms in the section on contrapuntal derivations) so I've added in "(Hepworth)" for disambiguation. No doubt there is some paperwork to fill in at WP:RM . Theramin (talk) 01:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

[copied from Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions]: Actually, the suggestion as to moved from the mis-spelled Contrapunctal Forms (with spurious "c") to Contrapuntal Forms (without the "c") - mea culpa - but there is already an article there redirecting to the one on (musical) counterpoint, so I moved it to Contrapuntal Forms (Hepworth). No need for a full RM, but apparently I need to read screens full of instructions to work out how to fill in the proper paperwork and stop the bot. Help! Theramin (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

If you think this can be fulfilled uncontroversially despite the redirect pointing elsewhere, you can try to point out this discussion at WP:RMTR. Dekimasuよ! 04:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Contrapuntal Forms (sculpture). My search tends to show the meaning for the musical term is more common. "Hepworth" is not a great disambiguating term, as it assumes the reader already knows who the sculptor was, and as WP:NCDAB says we should "use the same disambiguating phrase already commonly used for other topics within the same class and context". Although there is a different Hepworth sculpture called "Contrapuntal Forms (Mycenae)" (here and here), that would be naturally disambiguated. 94.21.238.64 (talk) 07:57, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you all for running with this. I'm a new contributor and trying to understand how it works. I'd appreciate a nudge if there's something I should follow up/do otherwise, etc. 57NS (talk) 17:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I think it would be more usual to disambiguate an artwork by the name of the artist, "(Hepworth)", rather something generic like "(sculpture)" - like for example Meridian (Hepworth) - as recommended by WP:VAMOS, but I don't have a strong opinion about it. Many of her works - such as Contrapuntal Forms (Mycenae) - have distinctive titles that need no further disambiguation. Thanks again to User:57NS for spotting the issue. Theramin (talk) 00:21, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

As VAMOS says, "The names of less well-known artists may not be suitable disambiguation terms." But whether the name as disambiguation is useful to me depends on whether the artist is known to me. But I'm not that het up about it either. Same anon ed, new IP 188.143.76.152 (talk) 00:59, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

• Keep the article at Contrapuntal Forms (Hepworth) and just Delete the redirect. The article was only created a couple of weeks ago, so there is little need to keep the redirect with incorrect spelling. If we do keep it, we should probably retarget it to Contrapuntal Forms, as a {{R from typo}}. I already added a hatnote at Counterpoint. 188.143.76.152 (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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