Talk:Cook Islands at the 1992 Summer Olympics/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 04:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Infobox

• "2 (2 men and 0 women)" — The "and 0 women" is a bit redundant, unless it's convention in these sorts of articles?
• "Cook Islands Sports and National Olympic Committee" — Worth a red link?

• Both done. Courcelles (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Background

• Any info on flag bearers?

Athletics

• How many competitors overall, and how many heats?
• "Sherwin would come back four years later" — Suggest comparing results (i.e., faster time but again did not advance)
  • Both done, though the official report doesn't give the total number of competitiors, and with byes and such just counting names seems too close to OR for me. Courcelles (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Weightlifting

• "the 100 kg event" — Although the link clarifies the parameters of the event, I would add that this refers to the weight of the competitor, not the weight of the weights.
• How much did Sam Nunuke Pera weigh?
• "he was eliminated from the competition" — Suggest clarifying with something such as "...competition before he could compete in the clean and jerk."
• "410 kilograms" — Suggest using a parenthetical to break this into snatch/clean and jerk, which will provide a better comparison with the failed 105kg lift.
• Silver/bronze?
• "the 1996 Summer Olympics and the 2004 Summer Olympics" — Suggest comparing his performance. Any reason why he didn't compete in 2000?
• I'm a fan of the DNF template, which I suggest using (along with other abbreviations such as DNS) in other articles as well

A photograph of one (or both) of the competitors would be nice, Courcelles, but otherwise looks good. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Everything taken care of, I think. Thanks for the review! Courcelles (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Courcelles, any info on flag bearers, and on why Pera didn't compete in 2000? --Usernameunique (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Found a little snippit on him being "retired" in 1996-2002; added. Can't find the flagbearers, they do not seem to be documented anywhere, except our own unsourced article on the subject! 1992 Summer Olympics national flag bearers says it was Pera, but I've no idea where they got their information. Courcelles (talk) 12:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Courcelles, looks like that info may come from the video (at 1:24:59) of the opening ceremony. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Great, because I’m like 99% sure that video is a copyvio and thus unciteable. Courcelles (talk) 16:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Courcelles, being a copyvio doesn't mean it can't be cited, it just means it shouldn't be linked in the article. Every plot summary of every recent TV show relies on coprighted information, which is fine, so long as the article does not link to bootleg versions of the shows. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:20, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• That's not how that works; we're forbidden from linking to copyvios at all, and we can't cite it without linking to it -- it basically is a bootleg version of the opening ceremony, which you just said can't be linked to. Courcelles (talk) 16:25, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• It doesn't need to be linked to be cited; a link is merely a courtesy. Indeed, most citations to non-internet sources (e.g., books, newspaper articles) don't come with links. The purpose of the citation is to let people know what the source being used is (here, the broadcast of the opening ceremony), and if someone wants to track it down, they can then do so without a link. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Try this? I'm really uncomfortable with doing it, but I can see your reasoning. Courcelles (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Courcelles, passing. Perhaps I should have said earlier that this one issue would not have been an impediment to the article passing; if on reflection you decide to remove that line, no worries. That said, I wouldn't worry that the medium in which we saw the source in question is a likely copyright violation, as the citation you have provided is in no way such a violation. --Usernameunique (talk) 17:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)