Talk:Corn dog

Corn dogs aren't reeds... please don't try it, my friend tried to eat one... stop and think about it... look at a corn dog making video. Just don't eat them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4B6D:5500:7573:15E3:282C:20F5 (talk) 09:19, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Article assessment

Hello I just rated this article for WikiProject Food and drink. I gave it a low rating as this article needs to be improved. On the gastronomical scale, corn dogs are not that high and they are not culturally significant to American Cuisine, so I gave it a low importance rating.

What you can do bring it up to "B" standard:

• Please unify the references using a singular, standard format. Done
• Please add more references to the History and Preparation sections. Done
• The Holiday section is trivia, which is discouraged under the Manual of Style. Either remove it or incorporate it into the main text of the article. Done
• Remove all red Wiki-links. Done Geoff (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Good luck!

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 09:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Like what you did with the place, keep up the good work. You now rate a "B". Work onthis and make it a Good article! --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 05:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Age

I was on vacation in Seattle a couple of weeks ago. Tour guides at the Space Needle claim that the corn dog was introduced at the 1962 World's Fair. Obviously if it actually dates to the '40s and Texas, they're wrong ... but where did this idea come from? --FOo 23:42, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think the key word is "introduce" which is not the same as invented. --Gbleem 23:01, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Additional Notes on Origins

Removed from article because the only reference is to another Wikipedia article and that article has no reference cited for this assertion. Unable to find a source yet.:

Food expert Sylvia Schur is also credited with inventing the "dog-on-a-stick".

Note to follow up addtional reference regarding the 1921 reference to the "Krusty Corn Dog Maker" machine. A poorly sourced report on the catalog company found here :

"L. Barth & Son was a distributor. Barbara's Volume 2, page 610 lists L. Barth Co. of New York City, New York and says...

Leopold Barth founded this firm in 1868. Distributed GDA, Greenwood, Grindley, Maddock (U.S.), D.E. McNicol, Rosenthal. Scammell, Shenango, Syracuse & Warwick china. Supplied at least nine patterns to the railroads. Merged with Albert Pick in 1926 and operated as Albert Pick-L.Barth Co. until 1931 when L. Barth was eliminated from the name."

Glane23 (talk) 18:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

References

Maize vs. corn

Changed maize to corn, because using maize in the article is horribly pretentious.--drew1718 23:10, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The corn article explains that the word "corn" is vary vague. --Gbleem 23:01, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, come on! who calls it maize in this context... There is a reason it is a CORN dog... chris 20:48, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Many people outside of the U.S. would not know what we mean when we say corn. They would think it was covered in wheat or oats. --Gbleem 07:51, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Gbleem is right, I wasn't thinking globally. --drew1718 06:01, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interesting, where is corn thought to be wheat or oats? --Commander Keane 15:47, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Try to read the corn article... 84.139.104.75 11:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Problem with that being, many people inside the US have never heard it called anything but 'corn', and thus will not associate the word 'Maize' with it, without further reading or an explanation. Hardly anyone in the US uses the word 'maize'. Thus there's no good term to use. If you use 'corn' you'll probably confuse or mislead people in some countries, if you use 'maize', you'll confuse a lot of people in the US. Lose-lose. Bah. -Graptor 66.161.202.55 17:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I think this is resolved by the wiki-links to the main ingredient, cornmeal, which article makes it clear that maize is the grain source of the meal. Glane23 (talk) 18:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Canadians and 'pogos'

I'm a Canadian, and although I've heard of the brand name Pogo... I've never heard corndogs called pogos (generically). Everyone I know calls them corndogs. I've only lived in Alberta and BC however. Is this a wholly eastern Canadian thing?

I'm in Eastern Canada, and they are by default 'pogos'. If it's a battered weiner on a stick, it's a Pogo, eh?

174.116.53.125 (talk) 22:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Some of the american vs. canadian stuff is more regional from what I read on the internet. I live in Kansas City. The coasts seem to forget we exist. I read somewhere that ConAgra makes pogos but they don't have a page on their web site. I sent a message to them.--Gbleem 07:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I emailed ConAgra and asked them about their Pogo web site. Here is the response:

December 15, 2005

Dear Jeff,

Thank you for contacting us.

You are correct. There is not a POGO website. We regret any inconvenience this may cause.

We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.

ConAgra Foods Consumer Affairs

050827718A

--Gbleem 06:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

::I will Be bold and delete this line. Try the Urban Dictionary link if you want to see what urbanites think pogo might mean. I do this out of deference to the respectability of the city of Pogon, Myanmar. Also, I question the veracity of this: "In eastern areas of the United States, corn dogs may also be known as Golden Paradises, usually a feminine variation of the word." What is a "feminine variation" of Golden Paradise? The reference to Urban Dictionary doesn't convince. This dictionary accepts obscenities and obscene definitions from anonymous contributors, which allows obscene definitions to be attached to otherwise respectable words arbitrarily.--12.72.150.104 18:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Contrary to User Gbleem, here in Quebec, Canada no one knows what a Corndog is other than by its other name, POGO. I took me watching an American TV show with an actor holding a corndog and calling it a corndog to figure out what a corndog was. To me it had always been a POGO and to all the people I had ever known also. Even more to the French in Québec it is nothing else but a POGO and the stick on which it it served is branded with the word POGO. With Respect to the article also, it is in error, it isn't rarely served outside the US because it is a kid favorite. It is served in almost every burger and hot-dog joint there is here in Quebec, entire freezers are filled with POGOs at the supermarket with variations, such as Croissant breading instead of cornbread. And I've seen restaurant who serve it with an upscale pub-grub style, such as with beer batter. The article needs to be revised.--DAVE ID (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

43 year old Canadian here from Ontario. Never heard of corndogs being called by their brand name Pogo; everyone I know calls them corndogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.111.46 (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Hotdog On a Stick

Isn't this similar? [1] --Marc NL 13:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Be bold my man, be bold. Yes, it's the same thing. They seem to be using all-turkey hot dogs. Exciting. --Mgreenbe 14:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I think its important to point out that New Zealand Hotdogs are not corn dogs, while New Zealand hotdog consists of a battered saussage on a stick the batter differs a lot, and is thin and crispy, finding a actual corndog here in NZ is like trying to find a needle in a haystack 203.79.69.40 01:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, hot dogs can be made with different batter here, the ones you commonly get at fairs, markets, sports events, etc, are akin to the corn dog as at the link just above, as opposed to those sold at fish and chip shops. The term corn dog isn't used here.121.73.221.187 (talk) 14:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I worked for the National Corndog Council and we considered any hot dog dipped in batter is considered a corn dog, regardless of the stick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.40.195 (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The important point

The real question is, are they tasty? They certainly look promisingly unhealthy. Anybody eaten one and able to testify? Palmiro | Talk 20:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

The batter can vary. Sometimes it has a lot of sugar or corn syrup in it. They are best when made fresh. I like mine with mustard.--Gbleem 07:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

While they were popular in my Indiana hometown, I managed to avoid them. Good question. --Mgreenbe 16:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I like them with mustard. Also, a shout out to Gbleem, the man show'd me the Wiki way through corn dogs. --drew1718 12:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

As with anything fried, they can be pretty good. My Dad hates them...as poorly made ones can have a tendancy to be rather tasteless. The good ones are pretty good. And some good mustard can really, really help even the crummy, tasteless ones. -Graptor 66.161.202.55 17:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree that they're pretty damn good, although quality varies. Any freshly fried ones are heaven, but the pre-frozen ones aren't bad as long as you bake them. Microwaving cheap ones tends to "delaminate" the batter from the dog, which is bad. I grew up on them in Indiana, but they're actually very hard to find in New York City, probably because of the sub-par freezer sections in NYC's grocery stores. Jkonrath 16:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The genuine POGO® brand from ConAgra in Canada is absolutely to die for when prepared in a toaster oven. Crispy outside, soft inside. --Jtgibson 22:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Fletchers Corny Dogs at the Texas State Fair are probably the best corn dog that GOD has permitted man to make... Glennerd@sstx

Yes, corn dogs are staples at fairs, carnivals, and such in much of the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.242.42 (talk) 15:05, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

there's no doubt that their quite good i've been known to each a box of them every once and a while danieljackson

• Fletcher's Corny Dogs do not come in a box! you can only buy them at a event where they are made fresh. The grocery store has a brand called State Fair Corn Dogs but those are just plain corn dogs not Fletchers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.92.58 (talk) 16:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Corn Dog Recipe

While I think it's perfectly well and good that people want to share how to make these staples of my diet, I think that sort of thing belongs more in Wikimedia Commons -- specifically their recipes section.

I'd do it myself, but, uh... lazy. You know how it is. ;-) --Jtgibson 22:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I gotta disagree it belongs in wikipedia just as much as it does Wikimedia Commons put the recipe in both no harm comes from it only more information is shared.danieljackson

Louisiana State University

I think this information that keeps being added linking the corn dog to a university is pointless. If a bunch of southerners want to call each other corn dogs I suggest they keep it at the family reunions. I do not see how this adds to a page about corn dogs in the least.

Corn Dog 7

Does anyone remember corn dog 7? I loved that place, they had enormous corn dogs. Zeos386sx 23:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The Corn dog is a hot dog-type sandwich

How is a corn dog in any way a sandwich? If there is no explanation as to why corn dogs are hot dog-type sandwiches, or of what a hot dog-type sandwich is to begin with, I will remove the section lacking a citation a create a new one. --Dans1120 17:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Also note that Wikipedia's sandwich article says "A sandwich is a food item made of two or more slices of leavened bread with one or more layers of filling..." Corn dogs don't really have two slices of bread. 71.209.41.102 (talk) 12:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Naming

" In Europe, they are known as 'toasty dogs'. Its competition are croissant dogs." - I've never heard of either of these, and nor has my partner (I'm English, she's French). Googling for 'toasty dog' only gives North American examples. Googling for 'croissant dog' returns nothing relevant. 81.86.161.42 15:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I googled and got the same results as you, so i removed that sentence from the article. Foobaz·o< 17:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

These things were called dog on a stick when I was growing up in Florida. I never heard corn dog before about 1975; had no idea what it referred to. Also, I have never heard the term toasty dog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.242.42 (talk) 14:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Cornbrats merger

I added material, content, and cites form the old 'Cornbrats article, which was merged into this one, and is now redirected here. Bearian (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

• I believe "cornbrat" falls into the category of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Google only turned on 7 non-WP hits, all of which seemed to be "gee, look at this cool thing I invented" on chat or blog-type sites. Dr.frog (talk) 16:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

a corn dog is a very good place —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pennywise956 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

"Corny dog" in Texas

I live in Texas and the line that states that Corn Dogs are called Corny Dogs in Texas is completely untrue. I've heard that they call them that at the State Fair, but the term isn't used casually. The line seems to be written by someone who was from out of state and just came for the fair. Should this line be removed? LOOKIE MILK! (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

if you are eating a "Fletchers Original Corny Dog", that can only be purchased at a Texas event, it is called "Corny Dog", not Corn Dog. That is what the inventor Neil Fletcher named them back in the 1940's. All other dogs fried in batter are regular corn dogs, no "y" and Fletchers Corny Dogs can NOT be found in your local grocery store freezer section. They are only made and sold fresh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.92.58 (talk) 16:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Health information

It would be interesting to find out if there is a set of official US government health information statistics for a typical corn dog. They are presumably high in saturated fat, but although I can find plenty of information, none of it is "official". Presumably the AICR's concerns regarding the hot dog [2] would also apply to the corn dog. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Fried in oil and coated with corn batter? These things must be the epitome of healthy food, just behind the Big Mac... Worromp Warg (talk) 17:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Seductive yet evil, like Poison Ivy - and topically they seem to have been banned from schools in Los Angeles (which implies that, until now, corn dogs are served in schools in Los Angeles). You'd think that one of these stories would have a box-out showing the nutritional make-up of a corn dog, but no. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 12:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Ask and ye shall receive! The following is from the "Bar S" brand of frozen corn dogs, "Classic" style. Different brands may have different numbers, but this particular corn dog is probably typical of frozen corn dogs from the grocery store, but corn dogs at fairs and festivals are probably a bit different.

Total Fat 13g

Saturated Fat 3.5g

Trans Fat 0g

Cholesterol 40mg

Sodium 530mg

Total Carbohydrate 22g

Dietary Fiber 0g

Sugars 7g

Protein 5g

Etamni (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hot-dog sausage.

Its not always a hot-dog sausage. User:DMacks with his link (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-science-of-corn-dogs/) even back me out on this one. Coming from his reference : "4 franks or pre-cooked sausages (He is partial to buffalo sausages)". Case closed i guess. I suggest to add the word "usually" . A corn dog is usually a hot dog sausage.

I would like to thanks everyone in particular User:DMacks and User:Drmies . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.246.2.252 (talk) 01:33, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hot dog does not restrict to beef/pork as the animal. I could support adjusting the wording to just "sausage" if that makes it clearer that it's not just the most common types of hot-dog meat (IP's apparent concern?). I can't support "usually" as given because there are lots of details in the sentence and it's unclear what parts are open to adjustment. DMacks (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

So, the IP keeps adding "usually". Let's settle this just to get on with our lives. I've adjusted the lead to "A corn dog (also spelled corndog) is a sausage (usually a hot dog) coated in a thick layer..." Is this okay with everyone? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Yup. DMacks (talk) 13:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Merger complete

  Y Merger complete. Information from Panchuker has been merged into this article. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:36, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Importance of Corn Dogs to Society

It warms my heart to know how many people are concerned about the accuracy and legitimacy of Corn Dog information distribution. Corn Dogs are the number one killer in most parts of Central America, and seeing this issue brought to light is reassuring, to say the least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acricha2 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2016

Please add the following sentence in the appropriate position within the Corndog's definition please- "It is debated whether or not the stick is essential to the Corndog. But most say it is not, which is what makes the most sense." if you are wondering why i would like this, please visit www.twitch.tv/boogie2988. Thank you for your time.

Owestog (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

 Not done The suggestion is not encyclopedic and does not materially add to the content of the article. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 20:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Subject agreement on one line

This sentence about panchukers, in the Argentina section, is not grammatically correct: "Panchukers consist of a sausage covered with a waffle-like pastry, and have a stick in it (like a corn dog) so that it can be easily consumed." This sentence begins plural and ends singular. Please change it to "a panchuker consists..." or "...them so that they..."

~ Resister (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:27, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

New Zealand

I note the part about them being called hot dogs/hotdogs in New Zealand has been removed as uncited. This is universal in New Zealand (hoho), as can be seen here for instance, on a food truck in Hagley Park in Christchurch, a closer shot of the actual hot dog is also on the same page, -where it also specifies American Hot Dogs, as being those in a bun by contrast. These are very widely available here, and a staple from Fish n' Chip shops which are one of the main and most kiwi forms of fast food. The batter of those purchased from Fish n' Chip shops is typically thinner than some of the examples here, but you do commonly get those with thicker batter at fairgrounds/markets etc, which are equally known as hot dogs.Drond Fishlock (talk) 14:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

That was my edit that was removed. As you have pointed out, they are definitely called hot dogs here (NZ). Perhaps my edit had a weak citation. I’m keen to reinstate my edit if people can suggest some ideas for reliable citations. Edwinhermann (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

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The earliest known preparation of corn dogs, however, was in 1937. During a high school baseball game in Adel, Iowa, ballpark vendors ran out of hot dog buns in the middle of the third inning. Roger Newman, a local tavern owner in attendance, took the remaining hot dogs and breaded them in a cornmeal batter he had prepared for an upcoming fish fry, and returned to the ballpark with them. Patrons used a variety of means to hold the corn dogs, including wax paper, paper cones, and even pocket knives.<ref>{{Cite book |title= Ah, you Iowans! |last= Offenburger |first= Chuck |year= 1992 |publisher= Iowa State University Press |isbn= 9780813818337 |page= [https://archive.org/details/ahyouiowansathom00offe/page/137 137] |url-access= registration |url= https://archive.org/details/ahyouiowansathom00offe/page/137 }}</ref>

There are a number of reasons to doubt this tidbit. It's a classic example of the "Wikipedian However," a statement tossed in that directly contradicts what had come before. The source is not particularly great, a collection of essays and anecdotes by an Iowa journalist. Good for showing some people's perspectives on events, but not good for a topic like this, where lots and lots of parties are making competing claims to be the inventor of the corn dog. The article needs to stick to secondary sources that sift through the different claims. Furthermore, the citation gives a page number that does not relate to the topic at all. I can't notify the user who wrote it because it was done by an anon two years ago; so I have copied it here. Fishal (talk) 14:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)