Talk:Countdown with Keith Olbermann

Removed link to forum listings

Links to fan forums and message boards are in clear violation of Wiki rules, summarized below:

1) Links that are added to promote a site. See External link spamming.

2) Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to. Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard.

There is nothing new or original or special about the message board which was previously listed here: Keitholbermann.org. Despite its owners contention that it is the only Keith Olbermann forum on the internet, this is a lie. There is a huge Keith Olbermann fan forum at Democratic Underground. There is another at Television without Pity and two more at Quick Topics. Either all of these fan forums should be listed here or none. I chose to make it none. While I'm sure the owners and/or moderators of all of these sites feel that their sites are special, under Wiki rules, none of them fits the definition of being of a "particularly high standard". While Olbermann.org meets Wiki guidelines, the link to KeithOlbermann, or any other web forum or message board does not. Also, Olbermann.org links to all of these other webforums at their site. That should be quite sufficient and eliminate the prospect of someone using Wiki to promote a link to their own site, again, a clear violation of Wiki rules. -Jeff-

Restored link to fan site mentioned earlier after discussion on "Keith Olbermann" page. Included links to ALL such message boards and fan groups. Please refer to talk discussion on that page for stats on each of these pages in terms of page hits, members, and total number of posts, as well as establishment dates. I still vehemently disagree that such sites should be listed here, as they are no such links at the sites for CNN, MSNBC, Fox, or any of the broadcast news networks, nor are their any such fan forums listed on the pages devoted to such personalities as Anderson Cooper, Bill O'Reilly, Shephard Smith, Rush Limbaugh, or Larry King. However, in the interest of fairness, if one such fan forum has to be listed for Keith Olbermann, all such forums should be listed. So it is here. JeffBerg

Ratings redux

See previous discussion here Talk:Countdown_with_Keith_Olbermann/Archive_2#Ratings

Ratings discussions always have the same problem. They are time sensitive and give little context. Simple items like

1. While BO'R's show has had higher ratings there are weeks and months that it hasn't.
2. These sections rarely get updated when the statement changes.
3. The demographics aren't discussed and this show has outperformed O'R' in some of the ones that are important to advertisers.
4. There is no mention of the fact that MSNBC is restricted to more expensive pricing tiers on Comcast then Fox is which will, naturally, skew the numbers.

I am not adverse to a separate article where ratings in discussed in their entirety a brief mention such as the one that I removed has WP:UNDUE problems along with the ones listed above. MarnetteD | Talk 21:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

i understand what you're saying about ratings discussions, and mostly agree.

i do find it necessary to point out that, actually, there have never been entire weeks (and certainly not entire months) where both hosts have been at their desks, uninterupted by vacation or whatever, and Olbermann has out-rated O'Reilly overall. EVER. in certain demographics, yes. on one day in a certain demographic, yes. but not overall. obviously, the numbers can always be skewed when including only certain demographics or time restraints or other concerns you've mentioned. anyway, not the point.

the point is: the actual topic was the widespread belief by Olbermann's detractors on the Right, Left and even in the middle, that his ire for O'Reilly stems, not from some righteous indignation or concern for truth and ethics in journalism, but rather a deep jealousy and resentment over O'reilly's consistently outperforming him in the ratings. the topic was NOT ratings. the topic was well-documented analysis of the nature of the "feud". and because this topic pertains specificly to the past, their ratings today, tomorrow, or three years from now are entirely irrelevant. the sections don't need to be updated when the statements change, because the statements don't change.

as it stands now, the section portrays Olbermann as some conscientious crusader trying to purge the world of journalism from unscrupulous, thuggish charlatans the likes of Bill O'Reilly, entirely disregarding the scholarship of numerous dissenters that may provide a much-needed counterbalance. that's the true POV problem. if you or anyone else have any suggestions as to a more acceptable means of including both sides of the story, i'm amenable to them.Whatavividimagination (talk) 02:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Just to put things in perspective, all the news shows get rather low ratings. Even that ratings colossus, the mighty O'Reilly, is crushed every night by SpongeBob Squarepants. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 04:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The End of Countdown

I actually find its fate to be quite sad. I mean, I used to watch this show with my dad every weeknight on MSNBC and I really liked it. Television (and political-focused television in particular) will never be the same without Countdown and its host, Keith Olbermann. Its fate was really quite sad, and if Keith never goofed and made MSNBC remove it from its network, it would probably still be up today. I can honestly say that I miss the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushtoy2000 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Podcast Addendum

Should there be an introduction on the podcast format? Differentiate from the original MSNBC and Current formats? WolfManReader (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)