Talk:CMT (American TV channel)

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Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Withdrawn Parsecboy (talk) 00:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Country Music Television → CMT — The network identifies itself as just CMT, not Country Music Television. Compare MTV which is at "MTV" and not "Music Television". Almost every source I've found calls this network CMT, and its logo even says CMT. Given the number of incoming links and the fact that "CMT" already redirects here, I would imagine that most searches for "CMT" would be the network, so it would make sense to have the network as the "main" page with a hatnote leading to CMT (disambiguation). At the least, move it to something like "CMT (US TV channel)", if not CMT proper. — Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 23:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support per nom, also CMT (Canada) doesn't go by Country Music Television (Canada). --Caldorwards4 (talk) 02:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose Legal name: "Country Music Television, Inc." which is a subunit of Viacom's MTV Networks. It's legal name is not CMT (For use of their legal name see, for example, Viacom Int'l, Inc. v. YouTube, Inc., No. C 08-80129 SI, United States District Court for the Northern District of California, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 79777, Decided, August 18, 2008, one document here), although I understand that CMT may have tradename status. In the business literature it is often referred to as "Country Music Television (CMT)". (See "Country Music Television" in Hoover's Company Records - In-depth Records, accessed November 18, 2008) I dislike acronyms for the reasons listed in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (abbreviations)#Acronyms as words in article titles. There is a related company "Country Music Television International B.V.", a trust in the Netherlands. I did not find any business references to CMT (Canada), just to the Canadian operations of Country Music Television, Inc. (See, e.g., Gaylord Entertainment CO/DE - 10-K Annual Report - 12/31/2001). CMT is just an acronym. --Bejnar (talk) 10:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support per Wikipedia naming conventions, which do not care about legal corporate names whatsoever. Kaldari (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose CMT should be a disambiguation page, so instead move CMT (disambiguation) to CMT. --Una Smith (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• "MTV Networks Inc." is the legal name of the company, as opposed to CMT which is not the legal name of Country Music Television, Inc. --Bejnar (talk) 10:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, good enough for me. Withdrawn. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
  • The legal names are irrelevant. Wikipedia naming conventions specify that "article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." There is no reason for us to care one whit what the legal name of either MTV or CMT is. And just for the record, "MTV Networks Inc." is the not the name of the TV station – it is the name of the company that owns both MTV and CMT. Kaldari (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The answer to that is that acronyms tend to be ambiguous, especially three letter ones. I had never heard of CMT, the Country Music Television channel, until this discussion, but I had heard of Core Molding Technologies Inc., a 22 million dollar company out of Ohio, whose NYSE symbol is CMT. They first went public in 1997. Like most non-entertainment industry companies it does not have a Wikipedia article to its name. --Bejnar (talk) 21:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Have you taken a look at this? In case you're not familiar with the country music industry, those are all articles for country musicians, country songs, or shows on CMT (the channel). Kaldari (talk) 21:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I don't care much one way or the other, but you should frame your argument in relation to the guidelines, i.e. show that "CMT" is not recognized as the channel more than "Country Music Television" is. If you haven't heard of the channel whatsoever, then you're not in a position to know which term is more often recognized as the channel. Kaldari (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

No, one cannot prove a negative. The burden is on those who support a move to justify it. CMT is ambiguous, that is not in dispute. Now can the proponents of the move show that CMT's recognition coefficient as Country Music Television is high enough in the general population that that ambiguity doesn't matter? --70.57.246.220 (talk) 23:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Several similar discussions are underway now concerning where to put disambiguation pages. My view is that in most cases a page having an ambiguous title should be a disambiguation page. --Una Smith (talk) 00:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Put disambiguation page at ambiguous title:

• Anne Hathaway (disambiguation) → Anne Hathaway —(Discuss)
• Harris (disambiguation) → Harris —(Discuss)
• Ireland (disambiguation) → Ireland —(Discuss)
• Yonsei (disambiguation) → Yonsei —(Discuss)

Prepare to put disambiguation page at ambiguous title:

• Matthew Williams → Matthew J. Williams —(Discuss)

Remove disambiguation page from ambiguous title:

• Weymouth, Dorset → Weymouth —(Discuss)
• Country Music Television → CMT —(Discuss)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

CMT's videos are produced by various record companies and artists and is not responsible for producing the content thereof.

CMT logo history

CMT was originally called "CMTV". The first logo was the CMTV logo. The second, used exclusively from June 1983 to summer of 1984 was the full title "Country Music Television" (see logo examples on http://www.cmtcountry.com). The third logo was the block letter logo used in various forms from the latter part of 1984 through the Gaylord years and into the CBS/Viacom acquisition (this included a more 3 dimensional block letter format, but still essentially the same basic "blocks" logo). Sometime in 2004 the logo was changed to a serifed western style in use today.

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That website, http://www.cmtcountry.com, is not the official site, and appears to be a personal web page, and as such, is not considered a reliable source. Rockypedia (talk) 23:57, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

"First independent Country Music Video to make the CMT chart"

This edit makes the unsourced claim that a song was "(t)he first independent Country Music Video to make the CMT chart". In addition to being unsourced, the claim is trivial in relation to the subject. We might as well list various other "firsts" on the chart: first song in a minor key, first song by an Asian artist, first song by an LGBT artist, etc. If a source can be found, the content might be appropriate for the artist or song's article (if there is one). - SummerPhD (talk) 02:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC) my opinion: this was kinda good with the country music and stuff, the reality shows now are kinda cool. at least we have cmt music for music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.45.122 (talk) 16:01, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Mom why isn't it on ?????

Put mom back on !!!!!!we don't need Mike and Molly and the Golden girls on every night Bring back mom mom was way better than the other shows !!!! 108.16.36.222 (talk) 02:53, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Significant FORMAT Issue page - as of 21- May

Page has Significant FORMATTING Issue - With table in the Cast Section. I think person who edited add portion on the 2022 season messes it up- follow on seasons are merged- within the first table.- I tried - tables can be difficult Wfoj3 (talk) 14:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Young Sheldon

Why do you keep Young Sheldon on there,it sucks ! It's already on TBS on Saturday,really? Where are the good movies you USED to show ? 67.158.142.81 (talk) 21:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Jason Aldean

Why was the video dropped for the song Try That In A Small Town? 2601:282:237F:6A70:E48B:5F88:B7CC:CDE5 (talk) 03:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

canceling James Aldean hometown song

I will no longer be watching this network as it has become woke. it's leftist policies are going to make it the Bud light of music 2600:100A:B01D:841E:6333:7F88:9E15:D50A (talk) 17:13, 20 July 2023 (UTC)