Talk:Cowboy Bebop: The Movie/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 01:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Expect the review to be finished by tomorrow. Freikorp (talk) 01:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Review complete. I'm putting this on hold to give the nominator time to address concerns. Freikorp (talk) 12:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   General:

   You use the terms 'film' and 'movie' interchangeably. Pick one and stick with it. Normally I strongly prefer 'film' but considering the word 'movie' is in the film's title either one you want to use is fine with me.

   Don't use # symbol as per MOS:HASH.

   Plot:

   Any reason who this is over 900 words? I don't recall the plot being so complicated that it couldn't be covered in under 700 words as per WP:FILMPLOT.

   Correct my if i'm wrong but aren't film plots supposed to be written in-universe? I.e ditch stuff like "The film ends with the question 'Are You Living in the Real World?'."

   You don't need citations in the plot, any particular reason why you've put these ones in there? "The movie takes place between Episodes 22 and 23 of the TV series, prior to the Bebop '​s crew splitting up" should not be in the plot as per previous point.

   Development:

   Avoid contractions such as "wasn't".

   "put the entire story in a twenty-minute episode for the series, the team were able to tell a longer, more detailed story." Suggested rewording to avoid using "story" twice in such close proximity. Suggest doing the same with "show" in the sentence "showed a gentler side than he did in the series, as there was more time available to show such details".

   Can you find information on why the Bob Dylan song served as inspiration, or why Higashi and Imakake were replaced? This would be of interest to the reader.

   "It was first shown to the west at the 2002 AnimeCon, retitled Cowboy Bebop: The Movie." This belongs in the 'Release' section, where it is mentioned anyway. I think you should remove this information from the 'Development' section.

   Release:

   Consider putting information on DVD's in home media section, as mentioned below.

   Reception:

   "He also noted the film's subject matter of terrorism in the face of the September 11 attacks." In what manner did he note it? Not overly helpful to the reader as is.

   Section should be titled "Critical response" as per MOS:FILM

   Information on home media should be in a section or subsection title "Home media"

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   Reference section looks good overall, though I see inconsistently formatted dates and access dates (i.e Retrieved 2009-05-03, Retrieved April 25, 2014 and Retrieved 8 January 2015). Double check everything is consistent.

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   In an ideal world this would have a 'Themes' section, though in my experience it's hard to find reliable sources that comment on themes in anime. Have you at least looked for sources on themes?

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   It's a shame this article doesn't have a picture other than the poster. Can you justify using the image of the cast as seen at List of Cowboy Bebop characters? Or failing that, can you upload a relevant still from the film?

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Did my best with the plot section. If it needs trimming down more, I'll do my best, but then it will lose something. I was pretty much revamping this article using Ghost in the Shell (film) as a template. As to all the other points, I fixed them where I could, I think. There are absolutely no sources on the film's Japanese title, the replacement of staff members, or any substantial themes. The most I could possibly come up with is a small section on the subject matter correlating to the September 11 terrorist attacks, but it would be very shaky, so I didn't bother with it. The film just hasn't received as much attention as the series, or the links are hard to find/unavailable/ineligible/dead. And Sock went through the references before me and did a general date check (many thanks for that). 'Update on Image: I can't use the series image, apparently. I was removed when I tried. and since there isn't really any other image out there that seems suitable, I can't do that. --ProtoDrake (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

New update: I had to do some rewriting, as the contemporary Kotaku review is considered "trashy low quality bait blog", so I had to do some rearranging, and did a couple of other things alongside that. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, whoops! I didn't realize this was a GA nominee. I had just watched the film and went on here and made a few small changes. Glad I didn't go against anything in here, haha. Sock (tock talk) 14:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, you're at 684 words for the plot, so you should be fine. I don't personally see any problems with it. Sock (tock talk) 14:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

As long as it's under 700 words the plot is fine with me. Also I don't share that opinion on Kotaku so maybe start a discussion on the talk page about using that review. Anyway well done, i'm passing this one. Freikorp (talk) 23:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Comment Slightly off-topic to this GAN, but just a suggestion for ProtoDrake. It would probably be a good idea to work on and improve the main Cowboy Bebop article as well, up to a point that it could be nominated for GA. What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 21:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)