Talk:Crime in Germany

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Current figures

I wonder whether these facts are current. Given that there is no D-Mark in Germany since January 2002 the chapter "Albanian Mafia" sounds a bit out of date. --178.6.20.83 (talk) 14:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

— The whole typology on organised crime in this article is not only outdated, it is also strongly biased. The sources do not represent a clear or neutral position. One example for this is the use of tabloid paper stories as a primary reference. It is thus suggested to update the list with neutral sources. --Pathofdhamma (talk) 18:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Due to omerta, it is practically impossible to get watertight proof. All you can do is look at convictions, which are rare and only show the tips of the icebergs, or see what happens in your environment, checking over 'coincidences', really? When my brother had died in an apartment fire in 2008 in Berlin-Schöneberg (Ansbacher Straße) it turned out to have been the first of two fires. A new landlord had wanted all tenants out and my brother had fought it. I had known the former owners and did not think they were the kind who'd sell out to a new Italian company. They were newly arrived in Berlin, naming computer files about the apartments they wanted to sell there in Italian. So my brother died in the middle of the night and naturally the death was not investigated because he was only a 60 year old unemployed - maybe the investigators knew with whom they were dealing? One week after his death there was a second fire sending all remaining tenants fleeing, and 2 days later the tradies could come in as scheduled for the renovations. I can believe my late brother burned himself in a suicide, but I can also believe that the new landlord sent the heavies in the middle of the night, hit my borther over the head, spread the petrol and torched it all. The enormous financial gains of the crime groups must find a legit home, and I certainly believe that the purchase of the apartment building, kicking out tenants to sell the flats is what happened here. From my time in Germany I can also confirm the sentence of political parties and businesses being corrupt through and through. 58.174.224.15 (talk) 05:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

A note

to people who wish to do some editing (I, at the moment, don't): of course the material on organized crime is probably, if known to the authorities at all, classified; but there's any year a Crime Statistics report, which gives some detail. Requires knowledge of German and roughly of German penal law. See here.--88.217.180.31 (talk) 01:22, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Wrong agency

"Although this is well-known to German security authorities, such as the (Bundesnachrichtendienst)
"Bundesnachrichtendienst" is the wrong "security authority", it's the "Bundespolizei" (BPOL) and "Verfassungsschutz" (BfV and LfV). --DerElektriker (talk) 08:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Property Crimes?

Where are property crimes? Is there no theft in Germany? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.43.70 (talk) 13:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Crime in Germany is combated by the German Police and other agencies.

What about listing the agencies?Xx236 (talk) 08:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The federal level Bundeskriminalamt and the state level Landeskriminalamt should at least be mentioned. 1Kwords (talk) 16:55, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Bad immigrants and good Germans

Only foreign criminal organisations are described. Does it mean that ethnic Germans don't create such organisations?

Car theft was multinational and Germans participated if not controlled it, but believedthat Poles were responsible.Xx236 (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Come off it. Of course there are Germans involved in organised crime. The lack of balance in this article is comparable with that in the Immigration and crime in Germany article. Deb (talk) 08:30, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

They had and have some right and left wing terrorist organisations but in general make Germans very little crime. There is no German "mafia" or anything like it. The contrast between fairly spread foreign criminal organisations and domestic is probably the reason why obly foreign are mentioned. Ddelete013 (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Gun crime 2017 report by BKA

The BKA has a report on gun crime, it has some useful statistics. 1Kwords (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/kriminalitaet/id_14299166/kriminalitaet-20-millionen-illegale-schusswaffen-in-deutschland.html 1Kwords (talk) 07:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Violence against police officers from BKA

Find the report here. Happy editing! 1Kwords (talk) 05:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Is this a FUD piece?

I have to say the current state of the article is horrible. It reads like a right wing populist FUD piece, supporting fear from minorities such as foreigners, pushing opinion without stating any creditable source (or any at all)

A good source with some semi current figures might be crime in Germany drops 10 percent in 2017

The data quoted by that article are taken from the Annual German Federal Police Report: report 2017 report 2018 other years published by the Federal_Criminal_Police_Office_(Germany) --Corvus v Corax (talk) 16:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I strongly agree. The article has an obvious anti-immigrant or anti-minority bias, like many crime related articles on Wikipedia. Hunan201p (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

@Corvus v Corax, Hunan201p, and 1Kwords: The section on organized crime in Germany is mostly about foreign organizations and ethnic groups, so it may need to be revised. Jarble (talk) 01:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Jarble. I'm pretty sure these articles are being heavily influenced by alt-right trolls who are using Wikipedia as a vehicle for propaganda. Hunan201p (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It's funny because to me it read as left-winged propaganda. I came here specifically to check crime rates by racial makeup and I found not a single statistic about it, which basically translates as the whole data array being purposedly killed to not appear racist. Which by itself is telling enough, but still useless for a proper research on German minorities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.43.203.12 (talk) 06:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

It's not funny, it's an obviously xenophobic piece.--JordiCuber (talk) 10:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I would strongly agree with the above. I have no objection per se to an article talking about foreign criminals operating in Germany, but this does seem a bit excessive. Likewise, this article keeps the focus on prostitution with the implication that German women are being exploited by this rotten foreigners. For the sake of brevity, I would this very troubling passage as an example of this article's problems: "Another major form of Russian-speaking organized crime in Germany consists of so-called criminal Aussiedler families. Aussiedlers are ethnic Germans (also called Volga Germans, Russia Germans) that were born in the former Soviet Union. While a lot of Aussiedlers adapted well and quickly mastered the German language, a lot of families held onto the traditional lifestyle they lived in Russia and surrounding states. This led to the formation of individual as well as clan-based groups of Aussiedlers involved in organized criminal activities such as drug trafficking, extortion, prostitution, as well as extreme violence". Note the contrast here between the good, law-abiding Volga Germans who "adapted well" and "mastered the German language" vs. the bad criminal types whose "traditional lifestyle they lived in Russia" involved them in criminality and "extreme violence". This is very troubling with this sweeping generalisation that criminality and extreme violence are the "traditional lifestyles" for Russians (actually most of the Volga Germans are from Kazakhstan, where Stalin exiled to in 1941-please note this is not against Kazakhs, just merely to note that whoever wrote that is not well-informed) vs. the better sort of values associated with Germans. Likewise, note the way that failed assimilation is being blamed here for their criminal actions of those Volga Germans engaged in crime. The obvious implication here is that assimilation into the proper Germans values would prevent crime. Finally, this article does only with the present. There is no historical overview. The Ringvereine of the Weimar era are not mentioned here. This might have been in good faith, but the focus on the foreigners as the sources of crime does seem a bit excessive and somewhat xenophobic as others have noted. --A.S. Brown (talk) 09:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@A.S. Brown, Hunan201p, and Corvus v Corax: I started another discussion about this article: its "Organized crime" section still appears to be focused on ethnic minorities in Germany. Jarble (talk) 02:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)