Talk:Crinkle crankle wall

Latest comment: 7 months ago by Blergcat in topic Link to Gauss?

 Question: Did you mean this link: [1] for cite #4?  :- ) DCS 23:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

Yes. That's it exactly. Thanks. Napier Andrews (talk) 11:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

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Points from a cynic

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  • If crinkle crankle construction obviates the need for buttresses, then perhaps it would be better to not have a wall with a buttress (4:30 position from 30MPH sign) in the main photograph.
  • If crinkle crankle walls do indeed use fewer bricks than other brick arrangements over a given span, then wouldn't the method be used in all single leaf brick walls, especially given how attractive they are? After all, a good idea is a good idea. Instead, they seem to be a cultural curiosity peculiar to East Anglia.
  • Is there any source to show that crinkle crankle walls use fewer bricks than a periodically buttressed single leaf wall?
  • If overall cost is the chief driver rather than quantity of materials, then then the amount of labour or skill level required to make the wavy shape should be relevant, but this isn't mentioned in the article.
  • There are many images of crinkle crankle walls here. It seems that several are double leaf. What is the argument for double leaf crinkle crankle walls?

JBel (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'm also unconvinced by the 'fewer bricks' explanation. I know that, in East Anglia, paths down towards the sea have crinkle-crankle walls specifically to prevent them becoming wind tunnels, as per local lore. The curves create vortices that slow the wind down. The reference given does not even support the assertion of fewer bricks, just the added strength compared to unbuttressed. Queex (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've gone ahead and removed the 'economy on bricks' claim, all the sources found in a web search were clearly derived from this page in one form or another. Still work to be done seeing if sources can be found for:
  • Reducing the wind tunnel effect
  • Shielding plants in beds next to them from the worst of the wind
Queex (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Good insight. A crinkle crankle wall would mimic a Labyrinth seal, which does indeed create multiple vortices to increase pressure drop/slow down flow. I can't imagine you'd ever be able to find a reference for this, though.
JBel (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
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Perhaps this is an application of Gauss's "Theorema Egregium" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorema_Egregium Blergcat (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply