Talk:Crown Jewel (2019)

DO NOT ADD UNCONFIRMED MATCHES

Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez has NOT been confirmed by WWE. We don't know when it will happen and if it will be for the WWE Championship. Can this page be protected and confirmed matches to be added only? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.80.152 (talk) 01:12, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Seriously, can this page be protected as soon as possible? Someone keeps added Brock Lesar vs. Cain Velasquez, but it's not confirmed by WWE. I'm not going to waste my time continuously deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.80.152 (talk) 21:26, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Fiend vs Seth Rollins Just Annouced

I was watching WWE RAW and Seth vs The Fiend at Crown Jewel... Do check that and add it ISHANBULLS (talk) 02:29, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Great

Mubarak Gambo (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Missing info in the 5v5 match

In the Preliminary matches section: 'In the penultimate match, the 5-on-5 tag team match between Team Hogan (Roman Reigns, Ricochet, Ali, and Shorty G (accompanied by Jimmy Hart and Hulk Hogan) '

Doesn't mention that Rusev was a member of the team, and an addition ) is needed. 2A00:23C6:7617:AD01:D5E3:392A:4CC6:CDF0 (talk) 17:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Flight delay reason

Someone else can type this up in the article, but the reason given that's said to be the delay of the flight home according to latest information is a lie. The reason for the delay was because WWE intentionally cut the feed because the Saudis aren't paying them what's owed, so the Saudis decided the adult thing to do is ground the flight in revenge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.139.102 (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Reception and Aftermath

@Aardwolf68: - as you have been reverting my changes [1], I am taking it to the talk page to discuss.

1. Forbes contributors (akin to bloggers) and ewrestlingnews are unreliable sources, as decided at Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Sources#Unreliable sources. Per WP:RS, we are supposed to not use unreliable sources. I removed them, you added them.
2. We are supposed to use reliable sources. I added reliable sources, you removed them. As you can see at Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Sources#Reliable sources, I added prowrestling.net, Wrestling Observer and ESPN.
3. The first paragraph of the Reception is largely unsourced. The Daily Express only covers the last sentence. The rest fails WP:V. Same, this info was appearing in the lede. I removed this info, you added it.
4. The events of the Aftermath have been cited to reliable mainstream newspapers such as The Daily Telegraph (an international newspaper) and The Hindustan Times (a prominent national newspaper in India). As well as the Wrestling Observer. Dave Meltzer is a top-tier source in wrestling journalism, otherwise he would not be featured in The New York Times. I added this info, you removed it. starship.paint (talk) 00:23, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

The opening reception paragraph has sourced information within the article itself, so that should stay Along with further research on the travel issue, those comments should stay as well. My biggest concerns are within reception, and the majority of the information said was in the article itself. I hope we can reach a compromise on this ~aardwolf68 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aardwolf68 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Aardwolf68: - a compromise is possible on point #3. What I am going to do now is to insert "citation needed templates" for sentences that need citing. What you need to do is insert the appropriate reference. Points #1, #2 and #4 will go ahead. starship.paint (talk) 10:10, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • IMO forbes or other similar sources cannot be used to verify facts, but can be used as sourcing for their own reviews. They are considered a WP:PRIMARY for their review, so I think thats ok. If its a pretty well read website and their reviews are notable, than I think its ok to include, but only for places where its a PRIMARY not SECONDARY source. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 12:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

    @Galatz: - but when there is a choice between a reliable source and a less reliable source, even for reviews, why should we pick the less reliable one? Is Richard Staple of EWrestlingNews more credible than Dave Meltzer? starship.paint (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I think it depends on the situation. I have not read through all the reviews listed here but if they discuss different aspects and have different opinions, then they both should be included. Its a case by case determination, but I wouldnt just remove it simply because of who did the review. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:49, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Table of Matches

Why is the table of a previous year's matches and times shown?