Talk:Croxall

Derbyshire v. Staffordshire

Croxall was indeed located in Derbyshire originally, and only later in Staffordshire. A google book search for both shows the wealth of references to Croxall, Derbyshire. I'll hunt around and try to find the date at which the village was moved from one to the other. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, on rereading, I noticed a mention of possibly not all of it having been in Derbyshire. I'll look into that also. (I know I have seen an explication of this online, but it may take me a couple of days to find it.) Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 20:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

This source from genuki lists "places related to Staffordshire which at the 1881 Census lay in a registration county of a different name to their historic county." Note that it says: "Croxall (part)." [1] MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I think that's what was vaguely in my memory. I find I also tend to rely on Staffordshire Online Gazetteer, (not always available late at night) on the possibly unwarranted basis that gov.uk implies that it's been checked. Jan1naD - (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I've seen the site but can't get it to load right now. As far as sources go, I tend to be pretty scrupulous because of my background, and often insist on double- or triple- (or sometimes more) things. The more sources the better. :-) Best, MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

According to this source, "Croxall was in Derbyshire until 1894." [2] I have encountered other sources saying the same thing. MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

According to [3] "The ancient parish of Croxall consisted of two townships - Croxall, divided between Staffordshire and Derbyshire, and Catton, entirely in Derbyshire" but the "The ecclesiatical parish of Croxall is in the diocese of Derby". Could the confusion relate to the situation with Edingale, which seems to have (unambiguously) been split between the two counties, and to also have a complicated parochial relationship with Croxall. My copy of reprint of the first edition of the one-inch OS map, sheet 42 draws a complicated county boundary in the area, including islands marked Part of Staffordshire and Part of Derbyshire, but it does agree with you in ascribing the whole of Croxall north of the river Mease, including the Hall and the site of the old village to Derbyshire. Next question, do we know the extent of Croxall township in earlier days? :-) Jan1naD - (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's the former village of Oakley (not the other Oakley, Staffordshire) that is the key. It lies between Tame and Mease, and has always been in Staffordshire, yet historically it has been part of the parish of Croxall. Now part of Edingale CP with the rest of Croxall. Quote from A Topographical Dictionary of England, 1848 BHO:

OAKLEY, a township, in the parish of Croxall, union of Tamworth, N. division of the hundred of Offlow and of the county of Stafford, 6½ miles (N. by W.) from Tamworth; containing 31 inhabitants. It is bounded on the west by the river Tame, and comprises about 600 acres of land. The Trent [he must mean Mease], which flows on the east of the township, separates it from the remainder of Croxall parish, in the county of Derby. The vicarial tithes have been commuted for £218.

I can also recommend Edingale - A parish in perspective as a good read. Jan1naD - (talk) 12:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for this interesting link on Edingale, Jan. By the way, in Chapter 7, it says: "Of a form of construction known as the Staffordshire Longhouse, ironically, for most of its life, Fields Farm, like The Firs, was in Derbyshire. At inclosure in 1794, Fields Farm belonged to Thomas Levett-Prinsep of Croxall Hall." So that part of Edingale was in Derbyshire until, I suppose, the 1894 date? MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)