Talk:Croyde

Lame

This article is kind of lame. Ahh Croyde a surfing beach on the west coast of the UK. How about some history? Rextanka 21:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC) Rextanka

Some unneccessary local 'colour' was reintroduced- if you've lived in North Devon for 40 year you'll know who 'Shaplands' are- but most readers here won't have a clue. Also the style has been chopped up again. Am rediting with some phrases from previous editing again removed, and some placed back in. Please discuss here if they are re-edited. User:Fremsley 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

So really we want Wikipedia to be a glossy ad for "Fun Vacations in N Devon?"

The local color is fine. Ruda was a Farm. It was owned by Gordon Shapland. After the second world war Shapland Started renting space for tents, then as that generated more revenue ther campsite became more commercialized. This changed the nature of Croyde permanantly. Otherwise it would be a bleak and depressing hamlet of 200 people on the windswept coast of Devon. Look at the entry for Georgeham if tyou want to see what the entry for Croyde would look like without detail. The impact that Shapland had on the development of Croyde is important. Leaving this stuff out would be like leaving the impact of slavery out of an entry for Bristol. To me that is history and is useful in Wikipedia.

I'm not sure who User:Fremsley is to assert that he/she has the right to determine what is and is not in a Wikipedia entry. If Wikipedia is to be useful it needs to be an attributed source of information. Perhaps you should go edit your user page and tell us why you are the expert on Croyde.

The crack about living in N Devon for 40 years is an odd one. I live in N California. Don't make this personal.

I still think information about the social and economic development of the village is useful. I think having information about the age of buildings in the village would be useful. Please stop removing information that others will find useful.

Some commnents on the edits:

• Croyde is at the end of Devon's transport infrastructure.
• How so? Moor lane terminates, but the actual numbered roads continue to Putsborough and Georgeham, so it is not at the end of any transport infrastructure. Look at http://maps.google.co.uk and see if you can justiify a comment that it is at the end of Devon's transport infrastructure. This asserion is invalid and incorrect.
• Also some answers would be useful on these items since they reflect on the economic development of the village.
• What were the causeways carved out of the rocks on the North end of the beach for? - Launching boats, for fishing?
• What were the kilns on the North end of the beach used for? - Limestone kiln?
• Are the dunes still part of a restoration project?
• Is the history of the former NALGO camp useful in this entry?
• What is the Baptist Church in the village called? - Croyde Baptist Church
• Where are residents of Croyde buried? - Georgham
• Where are burial records for Croyde kept? - Georgeham parish council some are online

Instead of removing information try adding something useful. Rextanka 19:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC) rextanka

Have added details on the beach, the village, the location, transport, etc., as well as correcting simple factual errors and tidying the wiki style. I have no 'right to determine'. It's Wikipedia, people edit your prose. The "Don't make this personal" jibe is disingenuous; after the sneery "why are you an expert?" as well as the "Glossy brochure" and "Slavery in Bristol", well...

I do have a bee-in-my-bonnet about the the "let's include everything I know about a subject" approach. It's messy, inarticulate, grammatically poor and prone to non-sequiturs, e.g. the new first two lines:

Croyde is a village on the west-facing coastline of North Devon.

Public services are provided by the North Devon District Council (NDDC) based in Barnstaple.

In the previous version, Croyde is a 'seaside' village- there's more to 'seaside' than simply being next to the sea- but seaside was deleted. People don't take "holidays at the coastline". How did deleting 'seaside' help the article? Why add the info on local services in the second line of an entry? It now reads like a stream of consciousness. The prose style does nothing to enhance the article and edits like this look peevish.

• What was wrong with the new paragraph on transport? Changed from a legible prose to bare factual lines- nothing added there.
• No idea why you're so keen on deleting the 'end of the infra-structure' comment- by your definition only Lands End and John O'Groats are technically at the end of the line in GB- but for two reasons, Croyde is a transport 'dead-end'. Firstly, there are no destinations for 180 degrees of the compass. Also, there's one 'main road' in, with passing places! Hell, I've been down the lanes to Putsborough enough know the end of the line- one would hardly call that a major thoroughfare. That's what the end of a transport infrastructure means.
• Re: Shapland- Why not include the above explanation in the article!? It would make sense to people other than yourself or other people who know the area well -hence the comments on 40 years in Croyde- i.e., it's not personal.
• Would love to know more about the rock causeways, the lime kilns, the history of the NALGO camp. Please include details on them.
• I'll include details on the post-glacial beach clay extent (contiguous with Westward Ho! formations), geology of the Culm anticline which forms the bay, the changes in population and housing through the 20th C, the rise of the surfing phenomena, together with more details on the transport infrastructure.

I'll be in "The Thatch" tomorrow for a pint and some veggie chilli. Where are the 'rock causeways'? I've been going to the beach since 1969 and must have simply overlooked them. Will try and get a photograph. User:Fremsley 01:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Go to the north end of the beach. There is a slipway carved out of the rocks, one is more or less due west, the other due south. I believe these were for boats, but have no idea. There are cartwheel grooves in them. This is all near (but below) the NT carpark (go to the NT carpark and walk back 300 yrds). Once upon a time there was a log blocking off access on the due west one. There's a steep path down from the road in front of what used to be bagsters house.

• As for the end of infrastructure thing, you can drive from croyde bridge to georgeham or putsborough. The main road from braunton does not dead end at Croyde. you can argue the semantics, but your comment overstates the isolation of the village.
• Seaside implied situated on the sea. Brighton could legitimately be called a seaside town. The village of croyde is actually a 1/4 mile walk from the sea (neither down end or the stuff at the baggy end are really legitimately part of the village, more like outskirts). The development along moor lane and at down end happend from the 1950's onwards really, and in many cases later.

By all means edit for style, I'm an engineer, writing prose is not something I do well. But be careful about the removal of information. This stuff is useful to someone, and most of it is being lost. How many people know how many farms there were before tourism? My guess is 7 or 8. It used to take 8 men to farm Mrytle Farm, at least to harvest the crop. They used a thresher. Gilbert and Alf Gammon (brothers) their family had farmed Myrtle Farm since 1600 or thereabouts,spent 3 years not talking to each other over the purchase of a Massy Ferguson 135 tractor (Gilbert wanted to keep the horses). Is David Lang still farming? John Adams? Who owned the land before? These are all useful questions that can be added. It's not a question of being a smart arse about putting everything I know down, it's an effort to record something that is disappearing, and maybe this stuff will find it's way into a historical record on Wikipedia.

Most people who grew up in Croyde moved away. They could not afford to live there, and their no jobs. My guess is that there might only be a few people left in the village who remember what it was like prior to the 1960's. This is unusual, one of the things that Wiki does it is allows information to be dumped, attribution added and a body of information collected.

• Croyde Motors was an orchard in the 1950's. The land was given or sold to the summers family, they opened a garage, then a car dealership. In 1970 it became a volkswagon / audi dealership and was a BP gas station. Now it no longer sells gas, but is a seat dealership now.
• There was a coastguard station on moor lane, manned until the 1970's.
• The building next to the thatch was the police station until the '70's when it was closed, the nearest police station is now in Braunton.
• The tiny shop opposite the thatch was a butcher, run by Ellis and sons. It's now a surf shop.

When I first saw this article it had a lot about surfing (I dont want to be rude, but the surf at croyde is good for about 5 days a year) and little else. So I'd like to see this article really cover the village properly. The emmet business is important, but I'd also like to see other information.

OK? Rextanka 02:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC) rextanka

Blue flag

Croyde does not current;y have Blue Flag Status. Here is a response from Blue Flag Org in response to an enquiry:

"The International Blue Flag Co-ordination has sent me your e-mail concerning Croyde Bay in North Devon. In 2007 Croyde Bay lost their Blue Flag status due to water quality issues (after many years of holding the award) and have not applied for a Blue Flag in 2009. Subsequently they will not be listed on any of our promotional literature.

We will contact the local council immediately regarding this issue and confirm that whilst they can promote the fact that Croyde Bay obtained a Blue Flag up until 2007, they cannot mislead the public into thinking it still has this award. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.241.212 (talk) 10:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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14 years and still no cites!

How is it that this article has existed for over a decade without anyone adding a single reference? KJP1 (talk) 13:39, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Incredible, really. I do love the above 2007 discussion with lots of local history. I do wish there was a folk Wiki that could collect vernacular history before it disappears. No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)