Talk:Cry of Pugad Lawin

Why is this important? What is the historical context?

The article needs a section (from someone more knowledgeable than I) about the historical context of the Cry. What led up to it? What were the immediate causes? What were the immediate and long-term impacts? Obviously it is very important because it is a national holiday, and so this article should tell readers why it is so important and what is its meaning to current-day Filipinos. --Bruce Hall (talk) 00:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

From the article: "the Cry of Balintawak (Filipino: Sigaw ng Balintawak, Spanish: Grito de Balintawak) was the beginning of the Philippine Revolution against Spanish rule". That pretty much sums it up. –HTD 02:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

This article definitely needs more context for those with limited knowledge of Philippine history.--Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Cry of Balintawak?

Is "Cry of Pugad Lawin" or "Cry of Balintawak" more consistent with WP:Commonname? I almost always hear of it referred to as the latter and would support renaming it. Google searches are not definitive but I note that the latter has 30% more Google hits than the former, and much of the reference to the former name says something like "now known as the 'Cry of Pugad Lawin'" which would indicate that the Cry of Balintawak is the more common reference. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Cry of what?

• This article is named Cry of Pugad Lawin.
• In its current version, the lead sentence begins: The Cry of Balintawak (Filipino: Sigaw ng Balíntawak, Spanish: Grito de Balíntawak), was [...]
• Among other things, MOS:LEADSENTENCE says: If possible, the page title should be the subject of the first sentence.
• This article clearly screwed up in that regard.
• I see that this came about with this December 4, 2019 edit. Possibly it also came about elsewhere and there were back-and-forth edits regarding it.
• However it came about, it is currently screwed up.
• Near the top of this talk page, there is a section from 2011 headed #Cry of Balintawak? proposing that the name of the article be changed as indicated there. That section has a comment from 2013 but nothing beyond that.
• I see that the article's infobox currently names it Cry of Pugad Lawin, and features a photograph of a plaque commemorating that name.
• I have the impression that some readers of this article -- probably some editors as well -- have strong points of view about the naming of this article. Those persons should read the Wikipedia policy page titled Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

I request that editors of this article discuss this in this talk page section, come to a consensus regarding a solution, and straighten it out. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Constitution of Biak-na-Bato

This edit regarding the Spanish version of the preamble to the BnB constitution caught my eye. The External links section of the Republic of Biak-na-Bato article had an item about the Spanish text, but it was a dead link. After some digging, I made this edit there, supplying an item reading, Biak-na-Bato Constitution (in English, Tagalog, and Spanish) with an invisible comment sayinng, ordered as presented in the linked source. Note: This source provides an "Original Filipino Version", but the Filipino language did not exist at the time this constitution was written; a similar language named "Tagalog" did exist. Both articles probably need more attention regarding this. I am not a speaker of Spanish or Tagalog, and and I've said pretty much everything I know about this here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Controversy re date and place

the Why Balintawak? section has some material on this, but I stumbled across what seems to be a better-organized treatment in this selfpub source which cites what seem to be reliable sources in its presentation. The cites seem sufficient to identify those sources, though detailed formal cites are not included. It's in code-switching Tagalog and English, but this might be a starting point for improving that part of this article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Pugad Lawin High School memorial

I've never visited it but, from the images I see on the web, some coverage or mention of the Pugad Lawin High School memorial in this article might be appropriate. See e.g., this web page and these images. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Discuss a major controversy in Philippine history (e.g., the Cry of Balintawak vs. the Cry of Pugad Lawin, the Execution of Gomburza) and analyze how historians' interpretations have changed over time. What factors have influenced these changes?

Reading in Philippine History 124.217.82.191 (talk) 23:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)