Talk:Crypto-Christianity

China

Do the illegal Roman Catholic home churches of China count?

• I would say so, if the practice of Christianity was kept secret, especially if the Christian elements were 'hidden in plain sight' somehow.--Primalchaos 01:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Should the link to ChristianAgression be cited at the bottom? It seems to have little relevancy to the main body of this article.

I agree, that and the section on "Christian Aggression" have no relevancy to this article. This is Uncited material and the ChristianAggression link is not a legitimate resource as it is more of a hate site.--Friedricer (talk) 03:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Crypto-Buddhism?

I found this sentence curious:

Crypto-Christianity is the secret practice of the Christian religion, usually while attempting to camouflage it as another faith or observing the rituals of another religion publicly. In places and time periods where Christians were persecuted or Christianity was outlawed, instances of crypto-Christianity have surfaced.

I think that I have discerned in America the presentation of Buddhism (by Buddhist nones) in forms that look quite adaptable to forms of presentation that are found inside Christendom. MaynardClark (talk) 23:01, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Middle East

The article should probably include examples of crypto-Christianity in the Middle East. Virtually every country in the Mideast region has experienced a phenomenon of crypto-Christians, given that Christians often have problems with the level of religious tolerance over there. ADM (talk) 10:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Why this paragraph was erased?

Crypto-Christians, as well as Crypto-Jews, appear in Egypt (as a result of oppression by the Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim) as early as in 11th c. and in Morocco in the 12th c. under the Almohads rule. Many Crypto-christian communities existed in Middle-East till 19th century, as muslim authorities were satisfied with some minimal requirements of obedience by converts. From late 19th c. onwards most of crypto-religious groups disappear as a result of the rise of nationalism in the new Middle-Eastern states . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.205.231.40 (talk) 09:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I read the cited work, and the passage claiming crypto-christianity/judaism disappearing in the mid 20th century deals specifically with Iran in the context of the Iranian Revolution. It has nothing on the other Middle Eastern states. Propose a revert or a better edit. --Cabazap (talk) 03:41, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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India

Why Crypto-Christians of india excluded? They keep their identity secret and notify themselves as Hindus to get opportunities of reservation.117.232.60.108 (talk) 16:08, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

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Christian-derived practices

I removed the following text from the article since it was left without citation for an extended period of time and strikes me as dubious. Feel free to find reliable sources on the topic if it is of interest to you! Sondra.kinsey (talk) 19:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

“ The term can be used to describe practices, stories and celebrations that are derived from Christian beliefs but have been modified, corrupted or their meaning lost. For instance, the legend of King Arthur can be seen as crypto-Christian, with its concepts of a returning king and a virtuous martyr. Some small Muslim sects have rituals and feasts whose meaning is crypto-Christian, some sociologists contend. ”

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Intra-Christian Examples in need of revision

I've only just now made my account for Wikipedia and am not familiar with Wikipedia's standards or protocols for revision or sourcing, but it would seem that this section requires some revision.

• No sources are provided at all for the first two paragraphs, which deal with crypto-Catholicism and crypto-Protestantism respectively
• Protestants in Eritrea are mentioned in section in a paragraph that refers to Crypto-Protestants practicing in Catholic areas. However, Catholics don't make up much more of the population (5% versus the 2%, 4%, or 1%-5% Protestants, complicated by the lack of official census in Eritrea), both of which are dwarfed by the much larger Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, which is an Oriental Orthodox church rather than a Catholic one.
  • As Protestantism is legal in a limited capacity in Eritrea due to the recognition of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Eritrea by the national government, I think that if a source were provided it should clarify whether the crypto-Protestants are non-ELCE Protestants publicly professing to be ELCE or professing to be of the EOTC or ECC
• The third paragraph speaks of the Eastern Catholic Churches, singling out the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, as retaining "ritual peculiarities" and making "superficial concessions" to Papal authority. The idea that the Eastern rites represent some sort of crypto-Orthodoxy paid for by superficial lip service to the Pope rather than an authentic expression of Catholicism, as well as the attitude of referring to them as 'ritual peculiarities' in general, are considered extremely derogatory to Eastern Catholics.
  • Furthermore, the linked source (page 245 of With Their Backs to the Mountains by Paul Robert Magocsi) does not make such a claim. At most, it mentions dissension from the imposition of clerical celibacy on Eastern Catholic in North America, but in the same paragraph it refers to Bishop Basil Takach as a loyal Catholic who ended up complying with its enforcement. It mentions Fathers Alexis Toth and Orestes Chornock, but neither of these are examples of crypto-Orthodoxy either because they very publicly broke away from the Catholic Church to join or form Eastern Orthodox church communities.

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