Talk:Curse of the Bambino

Boston area teams

I add info about the New England Patriots winning Super Bowls XXXVI and XXXVIII and about Boston area teams about the end of the curse, as the curse's end gave rise not just to the Red Sox, but to all Boston area sports teams, as it added to the recent success of Boston area teams. The Patriots won Super Bowl XXXIX, the Red Sox won the 2007 World Series, and the Celtics won the 2008 NBA Finals. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 21:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Other sports, post- Curse

SNIyer12 would like to add a paragraph to this article about the success of other Boston teams, post-Curse. I always play the wet blanket and remove it, pointing out (or, if you prefer, "misguidedly maintaining") that it has nothing to do with the long, storied history of the Curse. This is not, after all, an article about Boston sports history.

Having said that, I realize that if SNIyer12 could find a legitimate source which made this same claim, jokingly or otherwise, it could be added as evidence that memory of the Curse lore still exists. (It would not be evidence that the breaking of the curse had some extra-RedSoxian effect, though.) I haven't seen such reference myself, implying that the Curse has shifted firmly into the past, but perhaps I'm wrong. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

SNIyer12 has a habit of adding info that is tangentially related at best, not at all related at worst, and then constantly reinserting it after it's been reverted. That particular batch of crap (to be frank) was new, obviously as the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals just recently ended, but if you spend time investigating the page history (not that you'd want to), you'll see it's an ongoing pattern. One that I acknowledge has diminished lately, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

That's a little bit harsh. I assume SNIyer12 is a Boston-area sports fan, and the "first city to ever win champhionships in the four major US sports in a single decade" claim has made a lot of such fans positively giddy. Wikipedia balance is one of the first things to disappear in such cases, doctors have confirmed. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Bucky Dent

I'm REALLY SERIOUS when I add information about Bucky Dent being fired as manager of the Yankees in Boston in 1990. It was revenge for his home run in 1978, though George Steinbrenner was severely criticized for doing the firing in Boston. – SNIyer12, (talk), 12:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but two other editors are REALLY SERIOUS that it doesn't belong, and I feel that it doesn't belong, either, although I'm less SERIOUS. It wasn't "revenge", it was a standard baseball act that happened to involve a person involved in one of many, many Curse-related events over the decades. It is trivia, at best, and doesn't belong in this article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The viewpoint that Dent's firing was "payback" or "revenge" or whatever is one that, if it even exists outside of one or two sources, is limited to Boston fans. It is not the overall worldwide viewpoint. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Many Red Sox fans reacted to Dent being fired in front of them in Boston. It is NOT trivia and it was revenge for the home run. The Boston Globe said that Red Sox fans felt retribution for the home run. – SNIyer12, (talk), 22:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Then it probably belongs in the Boston - New York rivalry article. It doesn't really have anything to do with the Bambino curse. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

So what is the curse?

It seems that the actual wording or paraphrasing of the curse is not in the article? Was it suppose to be a permanent thing? I vaguely remember someone saying that Babe Ruth said "The Sox will not win for xxx years" or some such thing? Grj23 (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Issues with the criticism section

I think there are some issues withe section titled "criticism". First, while the "Curse of the Bambino" may indeed have had at least partly anti-Semitic origins, I doubt many latter believers in the curse had anti-Semitic reasons for doing so. In fact, I doubt anyone believing in the curse at the later 20th century even where aware the anti-semtic accusations against Harry Frazee, who was at the time misidentified as Jewish. I would change the name of the section to something like "Anti-semetic origins of the curse claim" and make it clear that latter believers in the curse where not doing so based on anti-semitism. Otherwise, we would need to include criticisms of superstitious belief in the section, since that is the main criticism of the idea of the existence of the "Curse of the Bambino" just as it is with the Cub's "Curse of the Billy Goat" claims. --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 21:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I've edited it a bit, but frankly the source article confuses me - it doesn't really say how '20s antisemitism created a fake curse 60 years later. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 01:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I would go as far as to delete it, I came here to question this and already found the thread. There is only one source for this angle, and only an individual proponent who doesn't seem particularly notable. If this is notable, I shudder to think what else would make it's way onto wikipedia

--Willthewanderer (talk) 06:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

IT's a legitimate source from a legitimate person with sources within the (very) long article. But it is just one person's opinion; nobody else seems to have run with it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Why unlink "bambino"?

A couple editors are removing wikilinks from the word "Bambino", leaving no explanation in the article for why this particular name was attached to Babe Ruth. If you don't know what the word means - and many readers on't - it's a weird nonsense name that makes no sense. Readers deserve the chance to find out more.

Can anybody can explain to me why it should not be linked? Otherwise I'm going to re-link it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@DavidWBrooks: The page Bambino is a disambiguation page. Going to the Bambino page will educate the reader that Bambino is Italian for child, it does not explain why this particular name was attached to Babe Ruth. GoingBatty (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

But it explains what the word means, which is more than they had before. It's not like a wikilink has to be all or nothing - an absolute explanation of every question or else it's dropped. I think it's useful, even if incomplete. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:25, 9 November 2018 (UTC)