Talk:Curtis Woodhouse

Questions

He is a what?

The intro says that he is a "midfielder". Nobody is going to understand this, unless they have some knowledge of football. Contributors need to understand that our articles may be read anywhere in the world and by people who may be very different than the writers of the articles. The reader may be someone in another country who has no interest in football, or they may be a poor person in a third world country where they have no time to lose with learning about football since they have to spend all their day working, or they may be someone who became an amnesiac and forgot everything they once knew about football. At the very least, the word should be wikilinked, and if possible it should be explained very succintly in order not to penalise users who print out our articles in paper. I will fix it now, but I just wanted to make sure other people here understand this issue. NerdyNSK (talk) 23:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it. Note that links within the infoboxes don't count as they are not in the "main text" which is what most people read. Some people don't even read infoboxes. NerdyNSK (talk) 23:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds a bit pointy, you could say that with anything in the lead - what is the Conference National, what is welterweight, what is a cap, where is England, what is a bout, what is a knock-out. The Wikilink is sufficient. --Jimbo^[online] 18:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Jimbo. If someone doesn't understand what something is, then they click the wikilink (which you thankfully provided). I don't think I've ever really seen "definition" references like that. I imagine that a large number of our readers might not understand the terms used in our featured article on a Cell nucleus. I know that I don't know what a cytoskeleton is! But then I click the wikilink and learn more. As Jimbo says, the wikilink should be sufficient. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 20:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I am more amused by his ability to be born in two different places. :) --Candlewicke (Talk) 15:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

He was born where?

• I like the fact that the his boxing career was born in Driffield but his football career was born in Beverley... :) --Candlewicke (Talk) 15:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Redlinks

Before I start a formal GA review, I must ask. Could articles be created on at least some of the redlinks in this article? There's quite a few for a GAN. Wizardman 15:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Curtis Woodhouse/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Overall the article is pretty good, however here's a few things I'd fix:

• The redlink issue I'd like to see fixed. Seems that's a job for the Boxing WikiProject though.
• "Born in Beverley and raised in Driffield,[3] Woodhouse stated his heroes were Nigel Benn and Mike Tyson." The heroes being in the first sentence of the first paragraph makes it flow somewhat oddly, IMO. It's worthy of a mention, but should probably be placed elsewhere in the section.
  • Shuffled.
• Anyway to expand Hull City? I know he didn't play that many games there but the section feels empty.
  • I'll have a look for any reason for him leaving Hull so soon, if there are no sources for that, perhaps it might be better merged into the Grimsby section.
    • I've added his debut. Peanut4 (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
      • I've expanded it to about the same size as the Grimsby section. Struway2 (talk) 08:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
• "In July 2002, he was sentenced to 120 hours of community service and ordered to pay £250 costs." Is "pay 250 costs" proper language over in England? If it is that's fine, but I've never heard it used like that before.
  • That is common usage in court reports, and is the form used is the BBC article referenced.
• Is ref #2 necessary? I don't think one would need a reference to prove zero goals were scored by Woodhouse.
  • Replaced with single reference.
• "In his eighth boxing match, Woodhouse defeated Jimmy Beech on points on 20 August." The boxing infobox says 20 September. Fix one or the other.
  • September is correct.

I do like the fact that all jargon is being linked (as an American, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on soccer/football terms). Despite my limited knowledge, this does seem to be a good article. Just fix what'd I've asked to be fixed and this should be good to go. Wizardman 16:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed what I can do quickly, and will have a look for Hull stuff. Another editor has also said he'll help with it. The boxing redlinks are beyond me, though. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

• Alright. Only thing left is the redlinks. Honestly, having them isn't an auto-fail, so what I'll do is give you another day on those, if there's no change I'll delink where appropriate and pass it, assuming I find no other issues. Thanks to everyone for chipping in. Wizardman 17:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I've written a stub for his boxing trainer Gary De Roux, thus proving it's possible to work on subjects one knows nothing about, but it did take a long time... Probably the best approach would be to delink Woodhouse's opponents. De Roux was a British champion in his day, but the opponents include two journeyman fighters and the remainder are as inexperienced as Woodhouse himself. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. if they're non-notable then they can be delinked. I would like to see the two stadiums go from red to blue links if possible, but I think after all this I feel comfortable passing the article. Wizardman 19:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The formerly redlinked boxers all meet notability at WP:ATHLETE, as they are all professional boxers, thus meeting the guideline at WP:REDLINK.

PS - thanks to everyone for carrying on from where I left off. --Jimbo^[online] 09:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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