Talk:Cybernat

Possibly inappropriate "rm pov" revert

Dear Jmorrison230582, you mostly reverted a recent addition I made under an "rm pov" comment. Please could you explain how this was POV material?

For ease of discussion the removed material was "In May 2014 an SNP minister, Roseanna Cunningham, helped publicise a pro-union ex-soldier's home and email addresses and telephone number, leading to him receiving abusive Cybernat messages". This is a referenced fact from a national newspaper which is not (unless the newspaper is engaged in outright lying) disputed by the minister. The fact is relevant to the article and notable for the seniority of the person involved. The phrasing used is a plain non-judgemental description (or at least. that is what I tried to write). I think the removal was incorrect, and this edit should be re-instated. I invite you to comment. --winterstein (talk) 11:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Your use of the word "claimed" in relation to the article in The Herald was a pov edit, per WP:CLAIM. Regarding Roseanna Cunningham, the point of this article is about "Cybernat(s)", not her. I've added context in which the retired soldier received the (allegedly) abusive messages, but we need to avoid the possibility of WP:COATRACK. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you Jmorrison230582 for a clear reply. I wasn't aware of WP:CLAIM; I take your point on that. Re. Roseanna Cunningham, if a high-profile person publicises someone's address & phone on Twitter, that's liable to result in trolls harassing that person, so it fits within this article; I don't think WP:COATRACK applies -- indeed it was this lapse of care by a minister (of any colour) which I thought notable of documenting. To illustrate: doing the same on 4chan would be a really aggressive act. But I see further edits to this article have been made by yourself. I agree with your edits. --winterstein (talk) 15:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

First sentence

To say that us so called Cybernats are those who abuse those they perceive as being opposed to independence and the Scottish National Party is not neutral. It suggests that we supporters of the SNP /independence Do Abuse (which most of us don't) I think that online supporters of Scottish independence who are perceived to abuse those who are opposed to independence and the Scottish National Party is fairer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlwynapHuw (talk • contribs) 03:37, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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