Talk:Cyclone Ana

Flood Article?

@DachshundLover82: I strongly feel that we need to be gearing this article towards a flooding article rather than a TC article, since Fiji has been impacted by more than Ana this week and that we should focus on the overall event rather than one specific part. I understand that you think that it should be a TC article just because we aren’t really sure what will happen to the storm after it impacts Fiji. Except we do as it won't intensify - they generally never do after a Fiji landfall - while the only island nation it might impact is Tonga but that is debatable as its on the edge of the cone. However, I guess we will see what happens over the next few days.Jason Rees (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jason Rees:, I wouldn’t go make this a flood article so fast. Mainly because Ana has so far caused the most impacts of these storms overall, and she hasn’t even made landfall yet. So we may see wind damage and more flooding associated with Ana. Maybe you could make a new draft, similar to the Northeast U.S. flooding of October 2005, which was caused by TS Tammy and Subtropical Depression 22, as well as a few other non-tropical systems. However, I think any preparations for a flood article should be made in a different draft, and decisions could be made in February, after Ana passes Fiji and Tonga. Also if you don’t mind, I’m gonna make this a discussion. Thanks!DachshundLover82 (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

We will see what happens with Ana but my gut feeling is that this article shouldn't be restricted to just Ana, which is why I was thinking a flood article which can contain wind damage where relevant.Jason Rees (talk) 01:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I think Ana should have it’s own articles with a separate article for the floods, including some information from this article, but info from the other TCs that impacted Fiji and caused some of the flooding this week.DachshundLover82 (talk) 04:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Im not sure that Ana is overly notable for an article separate from the floods at the moment, as Ana, 06F and the SPCZ/Monsoon trough is all one event. However, we will see what happens over the next few days.Jason Rees (talk) 15:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Contradiction Comment

The statistics on the article and the 2020–21_South_Pacific_cyclone_season#Tropical_Cyclone_Ana section does not match. -³²²UbnBr₂ (Talk | Contributions | Actions) 01:13, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Lead

As I am getting fed up of reading edit summaries from @Hurricaneboy23: which are borderline rude and possibly breach WP:Civil in particular and being ignored by him on his talkpage, I am bringing this here in order to see what the community thinks. I feel that the opening sentence should read something along the lines of: Severe Tropical Cyclone Ana was one of three tropical cyclones to impact Fiji towards the end of January. These three being Ana, 06F and Bina which per the FMS all had an impact on Fiji during the last week. However, @Hurricaneboy23: does not believe that 06F has had an impact on Fiji despite it developing within the Lau Islands and the FMS and would much prefer to open the article with: Severe Tropical Cyclone Ana was the second tropical cyclone in a row of damaging Fiji tropical cyclones in December 2020 and January 2021, starting with Cyclone Yasa. However, I feel that this is a very very poor way of opening the article, as it assumes that 01F and 06F didn't cause any damage when they impacted Fiji. He has then tried to implement a compromise was the second of four tropical cyclones to impact the island nation of Fiji within December and January 2021, the first being Cyclone Yasa, without responding to my attempts to talk to him and by just forcing it on me. Now I personally feel that there are various things wrong with this so-called compromise as we have to remember that at least 5 tropical cyclones off all intensities have had an impact on Fiji this season so far to varying degrees which are 01F, Yasa, Ana, 06F and Bina. As a result, I do not see the need to mention Yasa in particular and would like other peoples thoughts.Jason Rees (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

This appears to be escalating into an ever-messier content dispute over a difference in what to emphasize in the lead. I personally feel that Jason Rees' proposal to use the comparison of the 3 TCs that struck Fiji within the past month is more relevant regarding this storm. If Yasa is mentioned, such a mention should be done separately in the impacts section. I believe that the original revision was fine, given that Yasa struck Fiji more than a month ago, so the recent flooding caused by the three TCs and the monsoonal storm are more immediately relevant than Yasa regarding Ana. This edit war needs to stop. Edit wars don't end well when left on their own, and they damage the integrity of the project. I'd like to see an agreement on this issue instead of continued warring over the revisions. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 18:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

The fact you continuously try to put your opinions onto me via endlessly putting posts on my talk page is not great. I am not required to reply to them. Also, this whole post feels like it is trying to discredit me and my opinion and that's unacceptable. Why am I required to reply to someone starting a edit war and then happening to finally try and get a consensus after I mention it myself? Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 23:14, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Let me remind you @Hurricaneboy23: of how we got here, you decided to tweak the opening sentence in this edit to say "Severe Tropical Cyclone Ana was the second tropical cyclone in a row of damaging Fiji tropical cyclones in December 2020 and January 2021, starting with Cyclone Yasa.". I reverted you upon sight of this edit by saying that I felt ""3 TCs in one week was (a) more notable" (way of opening the article and pointed out) "FTR 06F, Bina and Ana." You then decided to revert me and tell me that "06F didn't even impact Fiji." I then reverted you again and tried to reach out to you via your talk page and explain that 06F did impact Fiji per the Fiji Meteorological Service. However, instead of responding to me in a civil manner, you decided to revert me and "demand that I write a whole sentence in the article explaining what it did to Fiji, because all of its convection was on the east and sheared away from Fiji. I then reverted you again and explained on your talk page: "that we have to go with the FMS rather than with you think based on satellite imagery." You then decided to put a so-called "comprimise" in without talking to me and called my reasoning foolish rather than responding to my comments on your talk page. I then wrote to you yet again and explained my position, but yet you decided to revert me yet again by saying "WP:COMPROMISE. Just because you don't agree with my side of the argument and since I don't, this is a mix of what we both want. If you don't get that then I'm truly sorry. Do not turn this into a full-fledged edit war and stop wasting my time. Thanks." This is what prompted me to come here and try and gain a consensus rather than continuing with the edit war that you started, see yet another borderline rude edit summary and continue to see you ignore me on your talk page when I tried to reach out to try and settle this thing. You claim that you are not required to respond to my message but yet if you don't respond, how are we meant to know what you are thinking or discuss this thing. I am not trying to discredit your opinion but we have to go with what the Fiji Meteorological Service says rather than our own thoughts and opinions per WP:Verifiability, since not everyone knows what a tropical cyclone looks like, where to find satellite imagery etc. Jason Rees (talk) 02:04, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

It would be good to have some thoughts on this from other editors such as @Hurricanehink, DachshundLover82, and Unbinilium-322 Dibromide: Off course @Hurricaneboy23 and LightandDark2000: are still welcome to comment further on this discussion.Jason Rees (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I don’t like both openings. I think a nicer opening would be...

Severe Tropical Cyclone Ana was one of three tropical cyclones to impact the island nation of Fiji towards the end of January 2021, following Cyclone Yasa the previous month. The fifth tropical disturbance, third tropical cyclone and second severe tropical cyclone of the 2020–21 South Pacific cyclone season. Ana was first noted as Tropical Disturbance 05F during January 26, while it was located about 220 km (135 mi) to the northeast of Port Vila in Vanuatu. Over the next few days, the system moved eastwards and gradually developed further, before it was declared to be a tropical cyclone and named Ana during January 29. Over the next day, the system moved south-eastwards towards Fiji before it made landfall on the island of Viti Levu. After emerging into the Pacific Ocean, the system intensified into a Category 3 severe tropical cyclone, before it rapidly degenerated into a subtropical low during February 1.

Then some info on impacts DachshundLover82 (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Ana name

There have already been two cyclones by the same name in two different basins, if a tropical cyclone forms, the most prone will be the South-West Indian Ocean. What should we do so that some people are not confused?

Tropical Storm Ana (Atlantic, 2021)
Cyclone Ana (South Pacific, 2021)
Cyclone Ana (South West, 2021)

Tell us not to be confused by the same name.--МОДОКАУ 03:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

First, exclude the Atlantic Ocean's 2021 Tropical Storm Ana from this discussion as it was not notable enough to warrant an individual storm article. That said, if a Cyclone Ana forms in the South-West Indian Ocean in December '21 and becomes notable enough to warrant an individual article, that article would be titled something like Cyclone Ana (December 2021) and the title of this article would be moved to something like Cyclone Ana (January 2021). Now, if a notable Cyclone Ana forms in the SWIO in January '22, I suppose its article title would be something like Cyclone Ana (2022) and this article's title would perhaps become Cyclone Ana (2021). We shall have to wait until events unfold. Drdpw (talk) 20:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)