Talk:Czech Silesia

Translation request

From Wikipedia:German-English translation requests#Geography: -

• Article: de:Tschechisch Schlesien
• Corresponding English-language article: Czech Silesia
• Worth doing because: German has more info
• Originally Requested by: --Tydaj 18:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
• Status: In progress - Valiantis 20:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Other notes:
• Supported:

I've completed the translation from the German-language article, but I've also (hopefully) clarified a few points re: the movements back and forth of the area between different states which were a little unclear in the German article. My info is from linked articles in English and German Wikipedia. I've also slightly re-ordered and re-paragraphed as well as translated again for the sake of clarity. Valiantis 15:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Difference between Czech and Austrian Silesia

The most notable difference between old Austrian Silesia and what is nowadays Czech Silesia is that the Austrian Silesia was an authonomical administrative unit in Austrian Empire (later Austro-Hungarian Empire) beetwin 1763-1782 and 1860-1918. Moreover that unit differ territorially from Czech Silesia with Hlučínsko (which was not in Austrian Silesia and is now in Czech Silesia) and Polish site of Cieszyn Silesia (where I come from btw ;) including Bielsko (especially), Cieszyn, Skoczów, Strumień, Wisła and Ustroń. The citiziens of old Austrian Silesia parts nowadays in Poland would never call it a "Czech Silesia" so the matter is mostly on personal feelings and present article quietly hurts most of inhabitants of Polish site of Cieszyn Silesia and e.g. past German-speaking citiziens of Bielitz (Bielsko). I have been also discussing it in cs:Diskuse:České Slezsko. If no one opposes I will try some day create distinct article Austrian Silesia (based on pl:Śląsk Austriacki). Regards, D_T_G (PL) 12:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

• I have no objection to a new article on the historical Austrian Silesia, though I suspect that much of the information you might include is already included in the general article on Silesia. However, I do not agree that there is any offence caused to people who live in that part of former Austrian Silesia that is now in Poland. The article makes it quite clear that it is concerned with that part of Silesia that now lies in the Czech Republic; there is no suggestion that the whole of Silesia should be called Czech Silesia, and I have added three words to the introductory paragraph to make more clear in that paragraph that Czech Silesia is not identical with Austrian Silesia. The article on Silesia makes it clear that most of Silesia now lies in Poland. The Czech Silesia article itself also makes it clear that Hlučínsko was not part of Austrian Silesia and that Austrian Silesia included areas now in Poland. Bielsko/Bielitz is in Poland so mention of it is not germane to this article. Valiantis 18:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I have never had on my mind saying that all Silesia should be called Czech Silesia, I meaned more or less that the term like Czech Silesia (...) formerly Austrian Silesia is quite improper... Maybe you're right about Silesia article. Inherently I have looked at it and added some inlines about Austrian Silesia, which was treated quite poorly, there was nothing special mentioned about not-Prussian-Silesia ;P and even seemed concealed... Freak ;) Let me greet you in local Cieszyn Silesian: pozdrawióm :) D_T_G (PL) 19:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Should this article and Zaolzie be merged ?

I fail to understand the difference between the topics of these articles. --Minorities observer (talk) 02:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Zaolzie is only a small part of Czech Silesia, which was named only after 1919, when Czechoslovakia prevailed over Polish army in the area. Czech Silesia is larger geographical entity (formerly also political), which was named after Habsburgs lost the most of Silesia in 1748. At the time the part which was not taken over by Prussia was called Austrian Silesia, after the downfall of Austria-Hungary, this remained as Czech Silesia, part of Czechoslovakia (because it had been a part of the Czech Crown for more than 600 years). There are other articles about specific parts of Czech Silesia, such as Hlučín Region, Opava District, etc. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 07:52, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be in adequation with the discussion just in the above section of the talk page about the distinction between Austrian Silesia and Czech Silesia. For an outside observer like me, this is not at all clear: "Czech Silesia" refers to an historical region of Czechoslovakia. A specific and unambiguous section should explain this, maybe a small section common to all articles about roughly the same region. --Minorities observer (talk) 07:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)