Talk:Czerwony Sztandar (Lviv newspaper)

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Yes, the wordings that I removed from the article are (almost) found in the linked reference. However, it is necessary to state two things: 1) Just because something is found in a printed work doesn't mechanically mean that it should be pasted into Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, the work by Shore has a much freer language. Thus, 2) the almost quotations gets misrepresented. The meaning becomes different, because in this article the words 'Poland's fall' get a slightly different meaning than in the book. Also, what Shore discusses in page 160 are not stated objectives, rather underlying attitudes. Her key point on page 160 is to describe the metamorphosis of Polish-Jewish left intellectuals from the rather liberal debate climate of the 1917 revolution to the sharpened geopolitical contradictions of the late 1930s. An individual is presented as a case to prove the point. Thus the almost quotation becomes somewhat misleading. USSR and Poland had a territorial conflict stemming from the break-up of the old Russian empire. But was never the stated objective of the USSR and the CPSU to crush Poland as a country (which the almost quotation seek to imply). 3) Furthermore, the wording in the article are already quite tilted, I really don't see the point in having such blabant pov formulations, and lastly 4) there is no reference specifically to 1939-1941 on page 160 regarding the editorial line of the newspaper. --Soman (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The source clearly says (p. 160) that the newspaper “was Stalinist both in form and content”. I merely added the years 1939-1941 to distinguish this from the paper with the same title published after WW2, as the source clearly referred to 1939-1941 only. Similarly, the book mentions that the paper “underscored that Poland's fall was irrevocable” - in contrast to Nowe Widnokręgi, which, published since 1941, reflected - according to the same source - a subsequent more softened attitude of the Soviets towards Poles and Polishness. I really cannot see how I've supposedly misrepresented anything and tend to believe you're simply acting on a WP:IDONTLIKEIT basis, but am going to wait for 3. opinions on that matter.Estlandia (dialogue) 09:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)