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Fetal DNA sampling
Is anyone able to contribute information regarding the methods of sampling fetal DNA, whether invasive or non-invasively? I wasn't able to find anything particularly definitive after an hour of online searching.
It would also be useful to add information about the legality of such procedures (including whether they can be the subject of a warrant) and any risks to the fetus that may be involved.
- Fetal DNA can be extracted from maternal blood after the 12th week of pregnancy (non-invasive), before week 12 an invasive proceedure like Chorionic villus sampling (CVS) and/or Amniocentesis has to be used. I can't comment on the application of law to force either type of proceedure. --nixie 05:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
What is Dr. Schneeberger's first name and where in Canada did the 1992 case of fake DNA evidence take place? Please provide a source. Thank you. Dphen 19:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
DNA Databanks
With the recent additions by 88.106.31.222, it seems like this article has started to cover more than the scope of just genetic typing. Most of the information about the FSS's databank could be moved to another article just about DNA databanks. Sekiyu 18:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
First case
This website lists Tommie Lee Andrews' conviction as 6 Nov 1987 (a quick google search seems to confirm it). This is the year before Colin Pitchfork's conviction is listed by BBC. Can anyone find some source to unmix this? Ted 06:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Good question! According to the Gene Technology page you linked, the line "Andrews became the first person in the United States to be convicted of a crime based on DNA evidence" is key. The Pitchfork case was in the UK, and he while was indeed sentenced in 1988, the investigation itself occurred in early 1987 (he was arrested on Sep 19, 1987 and plead guilty to the rapes and murders). An interesting side note is that the first time that genetic fingerprinting was used for law enforcement, it was actually in the exoneration of an innocent man: George Howard in 1986. Sekiyu 20:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- If he plead guilty, then he was not the first conviction due to DNA fingerprinting. Maybe a better wording would be "first criminal caught using DNA fingerprinting." The Date would then be 1987 (when he was arrested), which would match with the conviction of Andrews. It might be useful if someone with a law background could verify the "exoneration" (which has a more strict legal definition than popular defintion). I have made a few changes to that section to clean up the language a little bit. Ted 00:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey what about the first person to exonerated from death row. His name is Bloodsworth, Kurt (i think). You can find him on the innocence project's website and someone's wrote a book about him??
DNA mass surveillance
Is there an article giving examples for DNA mass screening ? -- Simplicius 15:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The Southside Strangler case
According to [1] [2], a Timothy Spencer was the murderer of four females in the famous "southside strangler" case in Virginia. He is known to be the first person jailed and put to death in the United States due to a DNA analysis match in his semen on the four female victims he raped and asphyxiated (or other way around). The case was also mentioned several times in the Forensic Files series, where they also claim that it was the first time ever in the United States where someone was arrested due to circumstantial DNA evidence found in his semen to match on his raped victims. I think that should that be mentioned in the article since that case was also in 1987. Comments anyone? (Me | The Article) 08:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Independent assortment
Is there any research that substantiates the assertion that the loci in the genes are Independently Assorted? Though this is a nice assumption in court, if it is not true then STR testing would be substantially less powerful then claimed to be. I would refer to Keith Devlin's columns in MAA Online for the months of September and October for further reading on why it is important to first establish the assortment independence as fact before using the power rule to establish its statistical accuracy. RSimione 20:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- Absolutely. Check out [3] and [4]. JFS is one of the foremost peer-reviewed forensic sciences journals in publication. Sekiyu 16:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I read Keith Devlin's article; I found it ironic that he would present some specious arguments himself. His argument sounds strong to a naive reader, but his October article hinges on the Birthday_Paradox. If you plug his numbers into the formulas that are listed in that article, you will find that in a database of 65,493 entries, you will expect to have a 50% chance of a match with only 301 people. If you understand the probabilities involved, I think that you will be disappointed by Devlin as well. Sekiyu 17:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Partial Matches (and UK Statistics)
There should be a section (or an article) on partial DNA matches, their usefulness to law enforcement, and the controversies going on now. Also, the FBI's new interstate policies should be noted. Should this be a section or its own article?
Separately; is that "7 million in the UK database" stat correct? I heard an interview with Denver's DA Mitch Morrisey in which he cited the number at just over 3 million. Anyone have a source for this?
The US combined national database has about 5 million. The UK database is over 4 million. CharlesBrenner 27 Jan 2007 (UTC)
As of May 2007, the FBI's NDIS webpage states that there are 4,582,516 Total Convicted Offender profiles in the system. [5]. From the minutes of the House of Commons, "Joan Ryan: As of 10 June 2007, there were an estimated 3,976,090 individuals on the National DNA Database (NDNAD)." [6] Furthermore, they estimate that 13.7% of their profiles are duplicates [7] This handily makes the US's NDIS the largest DNA databank in the world. Sekiyu 04:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Also used for plants?
The lead says this technique is used for "individuals," but I believe it is also used to identify the genes of plants. Thus, the lead should be revised. Badagnani (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Extracting DNA from fingerprints
When it comes to DNA left at crime scenes, is it routine to extract copies of DNA directly from the fats and oils of fingerprints, especially for the purpose of comparing them to blood samples found there, to determine how many individuals may have been at the scene of a crime?
- The fingerprints have to be bloody in order to extract DNA from them. The fats, oils, and salts associated with fingerprints usually lack DNA, a protein.
DNA is not a protein. This is an error I have come across repeatedly on wikipedia discussion pages. DNA is a nucleic acid, which is entirely different from a protein.
If the fingerprints themselves are usable prints (not smudges, for example), they would themselves be used to identify persons from the scene. DNA may get all the glamour nowadays, but latent prints are still very widely used for forensic purposes. In general, if it is thought that a suspect touched something at a crime scene, the item would be processed by latent print examiners.
That said, while the salts, lipids and proteins in latent prints are not generally considered a useful source of DNA, what can be done in some cases is to analyze what is known as "touch DNA," in which an examiner attempts to extract DNA from skin cells left behind when someone touched something, such as the rim of a hat worn, or a steering wheel. This is not "routine," however.
Analysis of touch DNA would be done for the same purpose any other DNA samples--to identify persons present at the scene. To say "especially for the purpose of comparing them to blood samples found there, to determine how many individuals may have been at the scene of a crime" is rather too specific to confirm; in fact it sounds like an episode of CSI. Additionally, if there is plentiful (miniscule amounts are required now) blood (or other common sources such as semen or saliva) available, touch DNA would normally be considered unnecessary.165.176.123.2 (talk) 19:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
2003
I don't understand how a 1 in 5 million chance translates into 30 people who would match the profile from a population of 60 million people. Wouldn't that be 12 people (and not 12 other people, 12 people in total)?
Marisano
Agreed. I changed 30 to 12.
Zashaw 02:06, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
This page seems redundant with DNA testing -- the articles should probably be merged, or, if there's a distinction between the articles, it should be made explicit.
Zashaw 04:24, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)
So what are the advantages of this system
The second paragraph mentions PCR, the section on the DNA fingerprinting process doesn't. Which one is correct? Furthermore, what kinds of restriction enzymes/PCR primers are being used? AxelBoldt 16:21, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The article initially states "...STR profiling...is distinct from DNA fingerprinting...", but later categorizes STR analysis as a type of DNA fingerprinting. Is something missing, or is STR profiling distinct from STR analysis? Ian Glenn 21:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
No, they are the same thing. It is a kind of DNA analysis using PCR, which uses primers. RFLP, distinct from PCR, uses restriction enzymes. RFLP is little used now.165.176.123.2 (talk) 19:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Copyright violation/copy and paste
The "Fake DNA" section in this article is exactly the same to a section here: http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-definition/Genetic_fingerprinting/#Fake_DNA_evidence . May be other copy-pastes. Tarthen Brown (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Found one: In Cases on OJ Simpson - these two are the same more or less. Who copied who? Tarthen Brown (talk) 10:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Crime work
Given a sample of DNA, what information can we currently know? I guess that technically we should be able to rebuild a person from their DNA. As it stands, what can we do? Can we determine hair colour, eye colour, ethnicity, etc? Or do we just get a complex code that we try to match with another piece of code, kind of like playing the card game snap? Declan Davis (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Chimera (genetics)
DNA is not 100% accurate all the time. Please add information and reference Chimera (genetics) A Chimera has 2 sets of different DNA. Blood could be one and skin could be differant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.120.218 (talk) 06:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I guess that DNA is always accurate. It's our means of collection and analysis that aren't always 100% accurate. Declan Davis (talk) 20:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Chimera confusion in lead
From the lead:
- "These loci are variable enough that two unrelated humans are unlikely to have the same alleles, the only exception being the rare individuals which have two different sets of chimeric genes."
This is not an "exception" to that rule, but an extension of it: a chimera is not more likely to have the same alleles as someone unrelated to the chimera.
I am correcting the lead, accordingly. If you object, please discuss in this section and/or cite reliable references that support the claim.
Thank you. —Danorton (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Identifying ancient, deceased individuals
I have heard of extracting DNA from the fingerprints of the Ancient Egyptian laborers responsible for building the tombs. This is because fats and oils (such as sebum), along with salts and sweat, are exuded from the fingers and hands, and deposited on those objects they happened to touch. This happened thousands of years ago, back when the great pyramids were first built. The fingerprints were sealed up, and left untouched for thousands of years.
Does anybody have more information on this?
- The fats and oils usually deposited in fingerprints are naturally subject to degradation with time, and because DNA is a protein, usually wanting in the oils exuded by the skin, that rules out DNA fingerprinting. But since the Ancient Egyptian laborers had to manage large blocks of stone by cutting, sliding, and rolling, some of those fingerprints may have been bloody, and that was where the researchers managed to get their DNA.
DNA is not a protein. It is a nucleic acid. They are completely different categories of biomolecules. Whoever is going around dispensing information about DNA, without even knowing what it is, needs to cut it out.
Proteins are polymers of amino acids, which have a carbon center, carboyl, amino and -H termini, and a disctinctive side chain known generically as "-R." Nucleic acids have a sugar-phosphate backbone, to which are attached nitrogenous bases. 165.176.123.2 (talk) 19:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, and it's jolly annoying that whoever is giving out this false information doesn't even have the manners to sign their posts. Declan Davis (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
betch!!! hoe scum bag!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.240.67 (talk) 00:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
How long does it take?
The article could use expert input on how long each of the DNA analysis methods takes to get results. There is no mention of it here, and there seems to be much confusion among the public on this issue. I often hear comments from people on the radio or from acquaintances that indicate that they think it's as fast as blood typing and cross-matching (minutes to hours), though from what I recall hearing some years ago, it typically takes several weeks to get results. —QuicksilverT @ 00:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- The article could use expert editing, but expert input into the article is contrary to Wikipedia policy. (See WP:NOR). Anyone is welcome to research that information from reliable secondary sources and include it here. If you're unsure, post the information here first for feedback. Experts can then judge the reliability of the source. —Danorton (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- If you're talking about just doing the lab work, it is about a half day's work with current STR techniques. You'd go from some kind of sample, say a blood stain on a shirt, cut a portion of that and extract the DNA from the cells on the fabric using PCI, total time ~20 mins. Next you'd go to quantification of your extracted DNA -- a simple, rough estimate can be performed with a fluorescent method in about 5 minutes. Next the extracted DNA would be taken for preparation for amplification by PCR, total setup time about 5 minutes as well. A standard amplification takes roughly 3.5 hrs, then preparation/running on a CE instrument for roughly 1 hr. Just like that, you've gone from sample to genotype in about 5 hrs of work. The reason labs take so much longer to get results out is that in the forensic process, steps like accurately documenting evidence for future trial or chain of custody issues are time consuming and do not produce any of the required lab work for generating a profile. After a genotype has been obtained, it still needs to be interpreted by a DNA analyst, then those results need to be reviewed by other analysts and reviewers to make sure that everything was done correctly before any kind of results can be released to law enforcement or the public. Unlike TV shows such as CSI, most crime labs cannot clear their plates and devote 100% of their time and effort to a single case as it comes through the door. So while it's not as fast as simple blood typing, it's not necessarily as slow as you might think. Sekiyu (talk) 07:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Phantom of Heilbronn
There is a interesting case in germany where DNA fingerprinting led to the "construction" of a suspected female serial killer attributed with 40 crimes including several cases of murder. It turned out recently that the DNA traces originally attributed to the suspected killer is that of a woman working in the plant that produced the cotton buds used by the police for sampling the DNA at the crime scene. Maybe anyone can make something out of it. My english is'nt goog enough to edit here and i dont have an account here anyway. 88.128.52.77 (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- That story is indeed awesome, however I don't think it really adds to this article in a meaningful way, other than cautioning that negative or substrate controls should be run regularly (this is good scientific practice in general, not just in forensics labs). Sekiyu (talk) 07:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
DNA profiling vs Full_genome_sequencing
Whats the diffence between DNA profiling and Full_genome_sequencing ? Is it the same? If so, the 2 pages can be merged 81.246.169.193 (talk) 07:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
other names
other names are DNA fingerprint and idiosyncratic minisatellite hypervariation profile. Include in article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.164.113 (talk) 06:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Familial DNA Database Searches
I'm currently working on a draft of a potential article expanding the section on Familial DNA database searches, which are now being used by a greater number of states and are in the media more these days. I hope to include the history of its use, how the searches operate, and an example of how they've been used in a criminal trial, plus some cases around the country, like the Grim Sleeper case where it was used. It may also help clarify the partial match question below, since familial searches are similar to partial matches but NOT the same because they employ a seperate computer program and then YSTR analysis. The information on the familial DNA is probably large enough to have its own Wiki Page- should it be its own page or should it be added to the current familial searching page? Spu2011 Spu2011 (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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Osama
Don't forget to add what you can find out about using his dead sister's DNA to identify Osama after they killed him. Make sure to emphasize how they could do it so fast. 4.249.63.135 (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
artificial dna
Please, could this be integrated? (I am no expert): http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/18/0043212/Scientists-Learn-To-Fabricate-DNA-Evidence --91.37.35.170 (talk) 14:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
How to make working model on dna fingerprinting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.97.121 (talk) 07:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- I am not an expert either, but am an interested layperson, and I will try to put together a section on this matter. Anyone here interested in helping? Pv86 (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- I've edited it a bit for tone--I do feel that this is something that belongs in the article, but an encyclopedia shouldn't tell people what is "frightening" or "distressing". It still has the "story telling" voice which makes it sound a bit like a news article, but I'm hoping someone who is a little better at writing can make it blend in more seamlessly with the rest of the article. 71.43.182.90 (talk) 02:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Section title is misleading. What the researchers were describing is not artificial DNA, but fabrication of DNA evidence by taking DNA from one individual, amplifying it, and planting it into blood/saliva samples of another unrelated person. What is "artificial DNA" anyway? They did not synthesize DNA completely from scratch. 202.92.128.238 (talk) 03:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Considerations when evaluating DNA evidence
The sentence "Because of this, arbitrary ceilings were put on match probabilities used in RFLP analysis than the theoretically computed ones." needs to be cleaned up. "Than" calls for an adjective in the comparative degree - higher ceilings or lower ceilings or stricter limits or whatever.
- I've fixed this unclear part and added a reference link to more info about the ceiling principle. Sekiyu 16:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The claims about error rates and ceilings are confused and incorrect, and amount to a partisan rendering.
- 1. The motivation for the ceiling principle (proposed by the 1992 NRC report) was insufficient population data. It had nothing to do with errors.
- 2. The article by Jonathon Koehler mentioned by the referenced 2002 newspaper article could not have been a reason for moving away from RFLP several years earlier.
- 3. The reasons for switching from RFLP to STR were increased sensitivity, easier interpretation, and being less labor intensive. I don't recall error rates entering the discussion. Indeed, errors in interpretation is a relatively unimportant component of possible errors, and STRs because of greater sensitivity are more susceptible to error by contamination.
- 4. Koehler is a psychologist and not a DNA scientist or even statistician. His research scored an error if a lab reported a type of "4.1" when the correct answer was listed as "4" -- for lack of understanding the notation, that "4.1" was not different from "4", but merely more precise, designating a sub-type. Was the study reported in the 2002 newspaper article a different one? Further, despite his assurance to the contrary, his statistical approach is contrived. CharlesBrenner 15:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure were it might fit, but would it be worth tying in a reference to the Phantom of Heilbronn in this section? There is recent evidenice suggesting that the DNA matches tying together those 40 crime scenes in Austria, France, and Germany were caused by contamination from the factory makding the cotton buds for DNA swabbing.Occasional Reader (talk) 18:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the stastical reasoning in regards to coincidental matches flawed? As I understand it, the point is that the chance (risk) of a coincidental match, between two randomly chosen persons, is in theory 1 in 100 bilion...but in reality it is 1 in 1000 - no? At a glance this looks problematic... It seems that it is assumed that there's a probability of 1 against 1000 not only to pick two monozygotic twins, but that they're each other's sibling. Wouldn't the chances of that happening rather be something like 1 in 500.000? And the practical risk then being something in the same neighbourhood (1:500.000,000005 or something like that)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.242.152.183 (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC) Sorry... It would be 1:499.999,999995 - not 1:500.000,000005 :) That is, If I'm correct... I suck at calculating probabilities, so please correct me if I'm wrong... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.242.152.183 (talk) 12:08, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The current (14/3/2011) article states: "For example, the actual probability that 2 random people have the same DNA depends on whether there were twins or triplets (etc.) in the family, and the number of loci used in the test. Where twins are common, the probability of matching the DNA is 22 in 1000, or about 2.2 in 100 will have matching DNA." Which is not referenced and clearly wrong. The tests would not be accepted as evidence if this were the case. I suggest someone adds a proper analysis of the probability of finding an exact match in the profile. I have deleted the prior statement. --TransControl (talk) 08:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There isn't a single citation in for the section Considerations when evaluating DNA evidence. Is anyone even maintaining this page? Indio (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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1 in 100 billion?
According to the article, "the theoretical risk of a coincidental match is 1 in 100 billion (100,000,000,000)."
This theoretical risk is almost certainly overoptimistic. See http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_09_06.html for more details. This should be noted. 71.102.156.213 00:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for you concern, however it should be noted that this subject is covered in the last subject of this discussion page, titled "Independent Assortment".RSimione 06:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- You have to consider all factors involved in gametogenesis and fertilization to determine the similarity between chromosomes of siblings. This means mitosis, meiosis (I and II), crossover, mutation, transformation, etc. The probability that two such sequences would result in the same set of chromosomes is absurdly small. Mindmatrix 16:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Dates
First developed and used in 1985
The modern process of DNA profiling was developed in 1988 by Alec Jeffreys.
Are these right? reference 2 says 1984 and 1987. Also reference 2 says its from the observer but it's actually from the guardian.
Nick876436 (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Total rewrite
To anyone watching, I'm going to start rewriting this article and splitting off the forensic aspects into a separate article. DNA profiling encompasses much more than just forensic applications so this article needs to show that. The forensic article will be placed at Forensic DNA analysis. It is currently in draft form and will be published once completed. All are welcome to assist. --Majora (talk) 01:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Case cruft
@GorgonaJS: Thank you for adding the reference to the British titles section. At least now that section has a source that can be used to verify the content (a central Wikipedia policy). What is also a policy here is something called WP:NOT. Specifically Wikipedia is not a list of indiscriminate items. As I tried to get you to see when I linked to the essay on list cruff. It isn't about removing other people's work. It is about following Wikipedia policy as set by community consensus. Not all material is appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia and a pretty random list of cases over a 31 year span is the definition of indiscriminate. Since this is a collaborative project I hope that I can get your thoughts on this matter. --Majora (talk) 18:06, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- If you want to delete whole section, please, start discussion (Wikipedia policy)GorgonaJS (talk) 18:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- I just did start a discussion. Are you going to contribute to it or not? --Majora (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
CODIS13/CODIS20
I don't want to touch this page because it is way beyond my skill set so maybe someone else will want to clean up a little issue for me. Under "STR analysis" we have 20 STRs (CODIS20) as the standard in North America without mentioning that this was upgraded from 13 STRs fairly recently (Jan 1, 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_DNA_Index_System .
Under "Mitochondrial analysis" we have "For highly degraded samples, it is sometimes impossible to get a complete profile of the 13 CODIS STRs." This would have been the standard when the article was written but it is now the only mention of CODIS13 so it seems like a contradiction. Should we add a reference to CODIS13 in the first instance? Or maybe remove the mention of 13 STRs in the later?
Thank you
Desperate American interference in this article
There's quite a lot of careful interference in this article to try and claw back a semblance of the idea that DNA-profiling was not developed for use in the UK, but somehow rested upon U.S. science. It didn't. The article is therefore biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.87.191.180 (talk) 18:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Uncited material in need of citations
I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Oligos
I added a link to oligos because the term is used only once, and without definition. As a layperson, I didn't feel confident enough to add a definition, but I think there should be a short one, as per MOS:NOFORCELINK—after all, I had to look it up in order to understand the sentence. Matuko (talk) 05:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Garbled text
This appears to be garbled: "This led Plebuch to conduct an extensive investigation, after which she concluded that he father had been switched ...". AlanS1951 (talk) 10:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- It took almost a year, but I've corrected it. In future you should feel free to just go ahead and boldly correct something like that as soon as you see it. Typos are considered to be minor edits and don't need consensus. Matuko (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Sir Alec Jeffries?
"Discovered by Sir Alec Jeffreys in 1984" - he was not Sir Alec at the time of the discovery. I am not sure what Wikipedia style is here but I think it make sense to lose the 'Sir.' Cross Reference (talk) 01:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think it should be removed. See also MOS:PREFIX and MOS:SIR. Mindmatrix 12:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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Wiki Education assignment: Senior Seminar
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2023 and 28 April 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Et8872rp (article contribs).
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1984 or 1985?
I was looking at the background portion of the article and noticed a discrepancy between the article and my research. My sources show that Jefferys made the first discovery about DNA profiling and typing in 1985 instead of 1984. When I looked into the source used in the article that provided the 1984 date, I found that it was an article by The Guardian. I couldn't find which sources The Guardian used to find that information; however, after reading part of the article I also discovered that, according to The Guardian, Jefferys didn't develop the process for DNA profiling in 1984, rather in September of 1984, he had completed a phase of research on how inherited illnesses pass between families. I don't think The Guardian is a reliable enough source for a date such as this. Here is the link for the resource/journal article I have been using: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7219171/
If I don't hear a response from anyone on this discrepancy, I'm going to move forward with making the change and updating the sources. Zalula01 (talk) 14:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)