Talk:DTM (nightclub)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 08:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't tell mama I'm reviewing this article. Like, literally, she's looking at me doing my edits, questioning everything I'm doing. Don't make that a pressure. GeraldWL 08:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Gerald Waldo Luis! Thanks for reviewing this. Armadillopteryx 14:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Infobox

• Fancy adding alt to the logo? GeraldWL 08:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  Is there a logo alt field in infoboxes? I'll do some investigating when I'm at a computer again and make the change if so. I'm just taking a quick look on my phone atm. Armadillopteryx 14:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, sadly there isn't. I'll go and propose one in their talk page if I have time. GeraldWL 15:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• Am not a fan of the logo caption. It's not a photograph, and anyone can spot it immediately as a logo— that's certainly not a portrait of the club. GeraldWL 03:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Gerald Waldo Luis: It actually is a photograph—one I took myself, in fact. (Here is a less cropped version.) I was asked to expand the caption at Template:Did you know nominations/DTM (nightclub). It was because the image is uploaded as my own work (which it is, since I took the photo), but the reviewer initially thought I was claiming the logo as my own work (even though the description on the Commons explains otherwise). I actually do think the Commons documentation is sufficient on its own (i.e. I'm happy to delete the caption), but what are your thoughts? Armadillopteryx 06:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, forget that. It initially looked to me as a logo, and the background's gradient is crystal clear from afar.. GeraldWL 06:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Remove the citations for "Founded in 1992, it is the largest gay club in Northern Europe"-- it's already cited in the body. GeraldWL 08:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

   Done. Armadillopteryx 14:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• "Popular with gay men"-- is it, the gay guys in the club makes it popular, or...? GeraldWL 08:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  Like, it's popular with that demographic. They're the main group that frequent the club. Armadillopteryx 14:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, I'll probably have it "Popular on catering towards the gay men demographic" GeraldWL 15:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Gerald Waldo Luis: Mmm ... that suggestion isn't terribly clear (or grammatical), to be honest. IMO saying that a club is popular with gay men is no different from saying that a TV show is popular with children or that a restaurant is popular with tourists; I'm not too clear on how the article would benefit from changing this common phrasing. Armadillopteryx 20:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Description

• "English-language dance music" is supported by ref 3 and 6. I can't access ref 3, so I looked at ref 6, which does not state any of "English-language dance music" being played in the club. Thoughts? GeraldWL 15:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  Whoops! I meant to put that earlier due to the mention of "Euro-pop"; I've moved it to the right spot now. Armadillopteryx 20:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• "and techno, as well as a selection of Finnish-language hits by artists such as Kaija Koo." Remove the first ref 7. GeraldWL 15:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

   Done. Armadillopteryx 20:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• "Each year during Pride week"-- capitalize "week"? 15:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not too sure that's a proper noun so much as a common phrase. I can see there's room for interpretation, though, so I can change it if you feel strongly. Armadillopteryx 20:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, I mean, Pride Month is capitalized. It's basically an anniversary/celebration, and they're generally capitalized. GeraldWL 06:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, I've most often seen just "Pride" (the name of the celebration) capitalized, while "week" or "month" is just the time frame, but I know some sources will capitalize the whole phrase, so I am fine with your suggestion and have now made the change. Armadillopteryx 02:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Last paragraph has ref 10, 11, and 12 cited simultaneously. So, I think it's best to remove the first ref 10, save it for the bottom. GeraldWL 15:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  That's the only ref in the sentence that supports mention of Kameron Michaels, though. I've moved the refs to follow each name. Is that better? Armadillopteryx 20:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

History

• Cited ref 1 and 7, followed by 1, 7, and 13. It would be more space-efficient, perhaps, if we just remove the initial refs, and save it for the following cites. GeraldWL 09:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

  I cited it this way because the first three sentences are supported only by refs 1 and 7, but not really 13. The later sentences are equally supported by all three. Armadillopteryx 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Same case in second paragraph: with the addition of moving ref 15 to the last sentence of the first paragraph. GeraldWL 09:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)o

  Only the first sentence is supported by ref 15; it seems a bit misleading to place that ref at the end of the whole paragraph, no? Armadillopteryx 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• I find the blending of the COVID stance with the sound-complaints stances weird. But that's just me. If you think it's fine, I suggest moving it to a third paragraph. GeraldWL 09:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

  The main purpose of that sentence was just to note that, while the events of the previous sentences were going on, the club wasn't open (and it happens this was due to COVID). Armadillopteryx 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• "In the meantime" is early 2021, but "much of the spring" has flown away. Is it that the club is closed in the meantime, or it is closed during spring only? GeraldWL 09:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not sure what you mean by "In the meantime" is early 2021; are you saying that "in the meantime" can only refer to right now? To be clear, that phrase just means "while this other thing was/is going on"; it's not tethered to the present. See, for example, the Oxford definition, which includes examples like: My first novel was rejected by six publishers. In the meantime I had written a play. In this article, it means that DTM was closed while the owners were appealing the fine and waiting for a decision (but that was just a coincidence; it was due to COVID rather than the complaints at that time). Armadillopteryx 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Per the season policy, using seasons to describe settings are discouraged, as not all places have the 4-season cycle. GeraldWL 09:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

  Got it—I didn't know about that policy, and I've made changes accordingly. Armadillopteryx 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, fine if I push it to GA right now? GeraldWL 06:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Gerald Waldo Luis: Thank you! Armadillopteryx 19:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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