Talk:Daimler Consort

Elections

Light straight-eight 1939

According to the official history the source of Churchill's postwar personal car has never been established but it is noticeable that it is a Dolphin though not so described and the bulk of the Dolphins (perhaps a dozen) were destroyed in a bombing raid early in the war. The suggestion then is made (not by me) that Churchill's car which was first registered in I think 1945 was an assemblage (collage?) of recognisable remains following that raid. The car is well-known and often photographed on display with a copy of the famous newspaper photo of Churchill sitting on its folded hood while being driven through a 1945 election crowd. The para should be deleted but it is a lovely monument to WP's mode of operation when unmoderated. Churchill had been a devotee of the 1930s expensive fast heavy owner/driver Daimlers like the one in this picture.

This article has to be split in two. However it may appear a Daimler Consort—which is not a DB18—while a derivative is significantly different from a 2½-litre DB18 or Eighteen (size, engine and construction). The Empresses, Special Sports etc are not on Consort chassis. The Consort did become the foundation for subsequent models. Eddaido (talk) 23:21, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Good stuff. And nice picture. As you probably picked up, my own "intervention" was a reaction to an assertion that Churchill used the car for campaigning in General Elections in 1944 and 1949. As everyone knows - well, everyone who is "sad" enough to have looked at British politics in the mid-twentieth century (Plus no, I'm not old enough to remember) - there was no General Election in the UK in 1944 and 1949. But yes, Churchill WAS Prime Minister in Britain in 1944 and leader of the main opposition party in 1949 (and till 1951 when he came back as a now very old prime minister). But back then General Election campaigns lasted three weeks. There might have been an awareness that there would have to be an election before such and such a date that looked forwards more than three weeks, but nothing that would have involved trundling round your constituency (or the country) stirring up political passion (aka apathy) in anticipation of election day. Plus in 1944 there was still the small matter of a war to be won. By that year the probability of the side with the British in it winning was looking much stronger than it had a couple of years earlier, but the timing of any victory was largely down to the Soviets who had most of the tanks and the Americans who had the money (and more tanks, and .. .and...) and certainly not imminent enough to allow for forward planning of a UK election in 1944.

I checked the source given and sure enough that too, referred to Churchill electioneering in 1944 and 1949. Ho hum and ho ho. It - the source - is a web page allegedly put out by the Daily Telegraph which used to be more interested in getting stuff right than some English newspapers, but these days ..... well, it's many years since I actually paid for a copy. Anyhow, the article in question comes across as the undigested repetition of a press release from someone with a car to sell.

All of which is peripheral to the Daimler Consort. Except I guess the Churchill connection IS interesting and relevant. And if it's worth mentioning, it's worth not perpetrating wrong date information! Which is why I changed the reference so that it simply referred to electioneering in the "late 1940s" which is both true (assuming it is) AND consistent with the source as in the regurgitated press release from the people with the car to sell. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 06:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, when I voted in the 1945 elections, nah, only joking. Here's a picture of the car in question cunningly mocked up to look like the one being displayed / sold. The picture of it I was thinking of was taken up closer and he was more relaxed on the folded roof. This is Churchill double number 007, speech broadcast from a captured wire recorder borrowed from Bletchley. Hope you enjoy it. Don't know how you will cite itin the reference though, any ideas? Happy weekend, Eddaido (talk) 07:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

PS here's a video from my iPhone but I think the only open car I can identify is the Humber behind in the picture above and that is at 3:20 in the clip. While we are deep in history here is a picture of the nose of a big Austin 28 and Sarah whose first father-in-law was a Big fast Daimler fan wrong daughter. Happiness, Eddaido (talk) 07:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Lovely picture of the GOM sitting on the grass eating a sandwich. I believe he ate a HUGE amount and burned a lot of energy, which is part of his secret of success I guess. Did you spot poor Sarah's shoes? If she was the chauffeuse as well, I guess she had slippers for driving. But maybe they had "a man" for the driving. I see from the tax gatherer's website that the campaigning Daimler is still on the database, which I suppose is as it should be:

The vehicle details for EKV 881 are:

Date of Liability 01 01 1997  ????????????????????? ?

Date of First Registration 08 12 1940

Year of Manufacture Not Available

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2366cc

CO₂ Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type PETROL

Export Marker N

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour GREEN

Yes, I did, those shoes certainly draw the eye. Why is that car on record at the DVLA if it has not been relicensed for a decade and a half? It didn't look green to me, may be it is. Odd that it was withdrawn from sale in Britain and put on eBay Germany. I'm thinking that would not suggest anything suspect would it, no. Of course not. I am going to have to get that book back and look at their copy of that photo (the reproduction) of the car with Churchill published I think about 1996. Will advise. Tks yr info. Best Eddaido (talk) 11:05, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

No no, nothing suspect. I just looked up the date of liability of the car with which I emigrated from England to the Netherlands. Date of liability is shown as 18 May 1991. I can assure you (and given enough time could possibly demonstrate) that the car was taxed and licensed till I sold it at the Saturday morning car auction in Karlsruhe (to a group from Pforzheim who'd grown up in Pakistan so were untroubled by the position of the steering wheel) somewhere round 1997. But the UK tax database is evidently not updated when a car turns up as taxed in a Dutch or German tax database. I guess from their point of view it would be more trouble than it's worth. I'm not even sure if the British tax database includes the chassis number in the first place: they certainly keep quiet about it if they do.

As for the Daimler, I think all the database tells us is that it was declared green last time someone declared its colour, which was most likely when it was newly registered. I photographed a Humber Super Snipe in the summer which was predominantly red. When I got home I found I'd already photographed it a couple of years earlier. Less convincing colour, I thought. But according to the tax database, it is not red, but still the earlier colour (I forget what). Again, why should the tax authorities care what colour it is? I just unblocked the drain. Rather satisfying. Womder how long it will stay unblocked. Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Here is a snapshot of the shiny new looking logbook which says 2½-litre Special (Sports) and carries dates in the 1950s all on a video from Italy. Great ads ('tho you may receive different) before the video runs.

Going to back to Churchill's personal taste in cars. It seems they were his preferred "company" car though Humbers may have been forced on him at times and maybe "the company" may not always have been a government of the day.

Aside from company cars in 1932 a group of friends gave him £2,000 worth of new car, a 35/120 (?). They, organised by Brendan Bracken, were: Lord Burnham, Sir Harry Goschen, Esmond Harmsworth, Lord Lloyd, Lord Londonderry, Sir Harry McGowan, Sir Archibald Sinclair, and Brendan Bracken I feel sure they will be familiar names to historians of the period and it was presented to him when his liner the Majestic docked at Southampton on March 17, 1932. It seems to have remained with the Churchills until 1952 and was re-sold in December 1985 in a manner attracting the attention of some of the press. It was for sale by auction at Armoury House, London on Monday 9 December 1985 and its photograph appears on page 3 in the news section of The TImes for Thursday, Dec 05, 1985; Issue 62313. Licence number GW 7470 and it looks to me like a fairly standard flagship Daimler made just before the introduction of the Straight-Eight. Here is a charge for parts (I expect he put them on between laying individual bricks or dashing off yet another landscape). New tyres and I don't know what else. Ha - its a landaulette! account for work on WSC's Daimler Landaulette GW 7470, £154 10s, allowing reduction of 15s, plus discount of 2½% for payment in cash by return there's more I suppose it all went on the expenses claim under moat cleaning. Glad to hear about the drain. P.S. The car looked like this but a landaulette and this has the nave plates removed to expose the ugly wire wheels regards Eddaido (talk) 07:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Vehicle enquiry

The enquiry is complete.

The vehicle details for GW 7470 are:

Date of Liability 01 05 1989

Date of First Registration 16 03 1932

Year of Manufacture Not Available

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 6100cc

CO₂ Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type PETROL

Export Marker N

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour MAROON

Vehicle Type Approval Not Available

Vehicle Excise Duty rate for vehicle

6 Months Rate £123.75

12 Months Rate £225.00

Eddaido (talk) 07:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Produced from 1939 to 1953

Reads to me like a conjurer was at work. The wording was carefully chosen because i was skating over a point that I expected SamBlob to leap on. An Eighteen 2.5 litre is not a Consort. A Consort is a different car in many respects. The Consort was not manufactured from 1939 but from 1949 solely for export all steel without wood in the body and many other variations. I leave it to you to sort the matter out and will watch with interest. Eddaido (talk) 04:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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