Talk:Dance party

Neutrality?

This article seems to be more of a anti-drug propaganda editorial than an informative article. It barely touches the surface of the music itself and doesnt mention things such as dance styles, clothing, audio visual effects(including flyer design)or any other of the cultural aspects. Not to say it is completed work but it seems like a weak article to be featured on "Did you know?". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.72.160.50 (talk) 05:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose we merge Rave into this article. They are basically the same thing, and only need one article between them. -- PartyDude! (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed - I don't see "dance party" used in any other context. Wickethewok (talk) 01:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I would do quite the opposite: merge the information from this article into Rave. --Amalthea 08:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
    • I agree - "rave" is by far the most prevalent term. Nick Cooper (talk) 11:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
      • I agree too. Merge this into "Rave". I don't see any difference between the two and "Rave" seems by far the most common term. Manxruler (talk) 01:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
        • Agree (merge Dance party into Rave). The latter is a more developed article, and as others have noted "rave" is the more common term. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 00:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Disagree: There are specific differences between a RAVE, and a dance party, primarily the experience of visual, as RAVE is an acronym for Radio-Audio-Visual-Experience, there are lights and sounds that combine to create the unique experience. It is not characteristic of the generic 'dance party' to require a display of different color and pattern of lights to compliment the music. (Chris VP, 2/3/09)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.27.123 (talk • contribs)

That acronym sounds suspiciously like a recent "backronym"; the Rave article only mentions it because you added it. If you read further in the article you can see that the term has been in use since the 1950s. I've been to a fair few raves where colour was markedly absent; the only light coming from either (white) strobes, UV lights or naked flames. I dare say we could dig up a few cites from the 1990s if we had a dig. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose merger: raves are bigger then a sub section in an article.... actually go to one... it will change your mind.... there is NOTHING even similar to a rave... going to the club on saturday night is nothing close to going to the rave on saturday night....--cooljuno411 21:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merger. A "rave" and a "dance party" are two different venues. As a former raver in San Francisco from 90-96 and Seattle from 96-98, and former rave and DJ promoter, I know that a rave is an event. A dance party (or simply "party") is what we started calling raves after the term came into the vernacular and became too common-use among the media and non-ravers. Then, after the curfews of the 21st Century were imposed and removed our right to publicly rave all night, they became uneventful dance parties. In our present time, we cannot experience raves. These were specific events--one-time deals. Dance parties can be a recurring party at a club or space. The last real rave I attended was in 1998 in a warehouse in Seattle en route to SeaTac Airport. Dance parties are still happening to this day. They are not all night events, unless they are private, and usually attended by all types of people. A raver was a raver--they were a specific type of party-goer, complete with psychelic toys, clothing, candy, all the things necessary for when you "come on" to the substance of choice. Raves were ruled by one party favor: ecstasy, "E", "X", MDA and MDMA; and practically every one of the hundreds of attendees at a rave were on this substance. Therefore, raves were characterized by an overwhelming and all-encompassing feeling of universal love, peace and unity. In fact, one of the best raves in the San Francisco area was Come Unity. Everyone was on the same wave-length. Dance parties became and still are (in the 2000s) venues tainted by methamphetamine and harsher substances, lending a completely different feel or vibe to the scene. It is said that at the end of each century, there is a period of debauchery and merry-making, flambuoyant art, drama and style like no other. The raves were the great parties of the close of the 20th Century, a product of the Roaring 1990s. Having also attended Grateful Dead shows in the San Francisco area in the mid-90s, I would venture to say that these were predecessors to the raves. Much of rave culture, i.e. substances and the visuals and toys to enhance them, were also an integral part of Dead shows that pre-dated raves. Raves were produced primarily by individuals in the tech fields--thus, the incredible electronic and computer produced music, visuals, fractals, high-tech rave toys, clothing and paraphernalia. A rave and a dance party are two seperate entities in the realm of partying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihacker69 (talk • contribs) 18:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I would not mind if Dance party is merged to Rave but i strongly oppose if Rave is merged to Dance Party. --SkyWalker (talk) 05:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty much my (revised) view too. It sounds like "dance party" is a regional neologism; no way "rave" with all its history should be swept into this article. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 09:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I concur. Rave is entirely its own thing.--Bulbler (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• I've boldly removed the merge tags from both Rave and this article. I'd suggest that consensus above is that "Rave" should not be merged into "Dance party". An implicit alternative discussed above is that "Dance party" should instead be merged into "Rave" - I'd suggest that if that is seriously desired then merge tags should be re-added, and a further discussion held (for what it's worth, I think I would oppose a merge at the moment, as it seems that "Dance party" is a notable subject in its own right). Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 10:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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