Talk:Iranian dance

Comment & request for corrections

Hi, I have read this article about Persian dancing (Persian dance) As an Iranian person, I have to say this information provided by this famous web site, needs to be improved to change. Not all the information on this subject about Persian dancing is correct. Here are comments about the information provided in this article:

1. "Although often compared to Arabic dance," I cannot see why this has to be information for some one who does not know anything at all about Persian dancing! I mean, why does Persian dancing have to be compared with Arabic dancing? This objection goes back to the definition of encyclopedia!! If it was written that Persian dancing can be by some people compared as Arabic people is still better than saying "Although often compared to Arabic dance."

2. In the second paragraph, "often of bandari style" is a wrong example of Persian dancing. I mean the word 'often' should not been used at all. When I read this and put my feet in the shoes of a person who does not knows some about Persian dancing, he or she might think that this dancing is 'often' performed with 'bandari' style! No, it is not correct. Persian dancing always has many kinds of styles as it has been listed at the bottom of the article.

3. "However, this style is generally substantially less sensual in both manner of movement and in facial expression." In this sentence, I feel a sense of being bias used by the writer of this article. Whose perception is correct, the one who thinks the style is less sensual or people who just enjoy dancing in that style?! This is not a fair information is a well-known encyclopedia.

4. "where everyone will sit in a circle (especially on rugs)..." Let me tell you something, please! Even though is Persian dancing done in that way on a rug, but also it can be performed on Persian carpet! My point is that the size of a Persian rug and Persian carpet are not the say, but it is possible to dance on a Persian carpet, too. If someone knows the differences between a Persian carpet and a Persian rug, then he or she would think that this dancing is done only on Persian rug, and not on Persian carpet!

5. "sometimes accompanied by a Persian drummer playing bandari beats." Again, Persian music is not limited in bandari music at all. If somebody does know about Persian music, he or she would think most of the time Persian dancing is performed by bandari music, not the other styles. And if someone does not know anything about Persian music, and find out that bandari is the music used for Persian dancing, then there is misrepresentation of this dancing.

I hope I could explain my points, and this article cold be improved to explain more general picture of this nice dancing that being biased by a writer or writers!!!

Thank you

Vahdat (talk · contribs) 11:17, 9 August 2007

If you know about Persian dance, why don't you kindly add information to the article? Or at least remove what you find objectionable instead of just listing it.

As this is an open encyclopedia, it is the duty of everyone to help list and verify information. Some writers have attempted to add information to this article, and if you believe they are mistaken than YOU should help correct it.

Arspickles17 17:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Removed tag for inline citations

I did some extensive editing of this page in the last few days (despite a current wikipedia brewer bug, which required lots of saving/sorry about that) and I cited more than 7 sources for this article so I felt it was appropriate to remove the tag dated Sept 2013 needs inline citation. The article still needs a lot of help, mostly info on contemporary Iranian dance is missing. Jooojay (talk) 07:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Article name - Persian dance?

Why is it called Persian dance when it's about Iranian dances? Do the people which wrote this article originally not have a basic knowledge that Iran is not a Persian state but rather an Iranian state? Persians are one of the Iranians. KhakePakeVatan (talk) 08:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I assume you are a newer WP editor since this is a topic of interest for you. The difference between "Iran" vs "Persian" are well understood, and it is often brought up on WP talk pages. The article was not named "Iranian dance" but even the original editor named modern-day Iran. I believe on WP there has been a history of many articles having "Iran vs Persia" naming issues. And then time passes and many people edit and perhaps the initial version of the article is changed. Please do not remove content simply based on the title of an article (rather use a talk page), sometimes more is happening than you can understand with once glance at an article. Jooojay (talk) 06:15, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Do you think we need an article name change to "Iranian dance"? Jooojay (talk) 06:15, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Semsûrî: this article name was changed to "Dances in Iran" on August 15, 2020‎ without discuss here. It seems like it should be "Iranian dance" instead since it covers the historical aspects and diaspora aspects of dance - which the current title "Dances in Iran" does not acknowledge. Was there a pattern for naming you were following by using this? Jooojay (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jooojay: In my opinion it could be misleading to have the article titled Iranian dance(s) since there are Iranian peoples outside of Iran (thus dances as well) and this article solely focuses on the ones in that country. --Semsûrî (talk) 08:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't "Dance in Iran" be better English (than the plural form)? It's a bit more general, and sounds less like a list of dances. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I personally prefer plural, but I'm not against a move to singular. Dance in India is also singular, so there is merit for a move. --Semsûrî (talk) 11:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I just had a quick look, and actually there are quite a few precedents relating to other countries - I feel more strongly about it now! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Semsûrî: this article writes about diaspora too - did you read it (in the history section)? Jooojay (talk) 17:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jooojay: I wasn't referring to citizens of Iran abroad but Iranian ethnic groups that are not indigenous to Iran like Ossetians and Tajiks. --Semsûrî (talk) 19:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

My point being this article encompasses both needs - so by changing the name to "Dance in Iran" your excluding people. Jooojay (talk) 19:07, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 4 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed  — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

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Dances in Iran → Iranian dance – Makes sense to move this to the collective noun 'dance', modified by its ethnic adjectival component, common to the likes of Armenian dance. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 02:12, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I've had a look, and there doesn't seem to be a convention for how to name these articles. I've seen at least 3 formats: "Dances in X", "Xn dance" and "Xn dances". Would it be worth having some kind of discussion to come up with a standard? Dr. Vogel (talk) 11:51, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@DrVogel: Perhaps, since all sort of work, but concision definitely lends towards "Xn dance". Perhaps a more classic example would be "Irish dance". There's also Bulgarian folk dance, Turkish folk dance, Belarusian traditional dance, and so on and so forth. There are a few kinks in terms of naming and categories to be worked out in this area - though perhaps a bigger one is whether the word folk/traditional need be used at all. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

This should go to a full RM as per WP:PCM, especially given Talk:Dances in Iran#Article name - Persian dance?. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@DrVogel: What other articles are "Dances in Foo"? I can't see any. It just is not idiomatic English. Johnbod (talk) 02:13, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, this was several weeks ago now. I remember I went through the couple of categories from the actual article and found all those different formats. Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Dance has been notified of this discussion. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Visual arts has been notified of this discussion. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support the move (or to "Persian"). "Dances in Foo" is not idiomatic English, or not for this subject. Johnbod (talk) 02:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.