Talk:Daniella Deutscher
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Basketball references?
editI have tried to find some decent references for this article. Frankly, the referencing of her playing basketball in high school is trivial and quite ridiculous. I will continue to search for something useful. I found one decent source - TV Guide (at least it's not a fan site). - Josette (talk) 20:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- But she was the Black Hills MVP two years in a row!! OK, by itself not notable, but I was able to source that.--Milowent (talk) 21:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- An actresses' high school basketball record is mere trivia. Of more concern are sources such as [1] and [2], the first being a fansite for a show that wasn't actually made (beyond a pilot) and the second being a personal page by someone. I'll be removing these as unreliable sources and restoring the BLP prod; please do not remove that tag without properly sourcing the core of the article. There is much talk about these unsourced BLPs and a major concern is that many will be adding trivial sources to {{rescue}} articles without properly sourcing them. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that issue. Happy editing, Jack Merridew 21:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I deprodded again before seeing this comment. But I would suggest you send it to AfD if you disagree, as its clear that deletion would not be uncontroversial. Oh, and I am already on the right side of the issue, but I know people disagree.--Milowent (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone... no one is saying she is not somewhat notable (barely, if at all). But the article needs decent references. Come on man, Hang Time [3] is unacceptable as a source. - Josette (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, ok, maybe that wasn't the best source. :-) I guess I'll abandon my plan to cite youtube videos of the Hang Time opening credits![4].--Milowent (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- another (edit conflict); well, that explains the basketball in high school ;) Happy editing, Jack Merridew 21:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- @Jo; I'd say she's pretty iffy re notability. It seriously need better referencing and that's the core concern with this whole BLP issue. The link you're so is a mac.com account and is in no way a proper source ;) Happy editing, Jack Merridew 21:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, ok, maybe that wasn't the best source. :-) I guess I'll abandon my plan to cite youtube videos of the Hang Time opening credits![4].--Milowent (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- @Milo; I (edit conflict)d with you I think three times. You surely don't mean that you are 'right' to be arguing that thwarting the efforts at properly sorting all the unsourced BLPs by adding inadequate sources. I'll assume you feel that this woman warrants an article. I've looked; more than a little, too, and I'm not seeing much. I will take it to AfD where others my find enough to support an article. I'll give it until tomorrow, though, and see what happens in the mean time. Happy editing, Jack Merridew 21:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think the current BLP brouhaha is way off the mark. Our real BLP problem is not unsourced BLPs, its vandalism creeping into BLPs which are often sourced. I have referenced numerous BLP articles in the past few days (with adequate sources, the present article is still being edited, and I was looking for better sources than those I had already put in in this case) and have yet to find anything contentious in a single one. I appreciate you waiting a day for the AfD.--Milowent (talk) 21:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure there are 'sourced' BLPs that have all sorts of inappropriate content in them, and that's a major problem. The issue with unsourced BLP is that we have *nothing* to go on. They could be complete fabrications. There will be all sorts of non-notable stuff that one-off accounts slipped into the database. The core issue here is raising the bar on sourcing and BLPs are high priority because of ethical concerns: they are human being whose lives are impacted by the content of this site. Oh, and they might sue the foundation or flame the project in the media. Please be discriminating in your seeking of sources; just because it's on the web, doesn't make it true or reliable. Remember the quote: "we make the internet not suck"? Much of it *does* suck; big time. So, don't use the sucky bits as sources. Happy editing, Jack Merridew 22:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Not questioning the ethical issues at all. But serious question, has anyone ever sued the project itself for libel?--Milowent (talk) 22:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I believe the answer there is yes, but I don't have a link (they being the WMF). The seminal event was the Seigenthaler incident. ;) Jack Merridew 22:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Not questioning the ethical issues at all. But serious question, has anyone ever sued the project itself for libel?--Milowent (talk) 22:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure there are 'sourced' BLPs that have all sorts of inappropriate content in them, and that's a major problem. The issue with unsourced BLP is that we have *nothing* to go on. They could be complete fabrications. There will be all sorts of non-notable stuff that one-off accounts slipped into the database. The core issue here is raising the bar on sourcing and BLPs are high priority because of ethical concerns: they are human being whose lives are impacted by the content of this site. Oh, and they might sue the foundation or flame the project in the media. Please be discriminating in your seeking of sources; just because it's on the web, doesn't make it true or reliable. Remember the quote: "we make the internet not suck"? Much of it *does* suck; big time. So, don't use the sucky bits as sources. Happy editing, Jack Merridew 22:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think the current BLP brouhaha is way off the mark. Our real BLP problem is not unsourced BLPs, its vandalism creeping into BLPs which are often sourced. I have referenced numerous BLP articles in the past few days (with adequate sources, the present article is still being edited, and I was looking for better sources than those I had already put in in this case) and have yet to find anything contentious in a single one. I appreciate you waiting a day for the AfD.--Milowent (talk) 21:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone... no one is saying she is not somewhat notable (barely, if at all). But the article needs decent references. Come on man, Hang Time [3] is unacceptable as a source. - Josette (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I deprodded again before seeing this comment. But I would suggest you send it to AfD if you disagree, as its clear that deletion would not be uncontroversial. Oh, and I am already on the right side of the issue, but I know people disagree.--Milowent (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- An actresses' high school basketball record is mere trivia. Of more concern are sources such as [1] and [2], the first being a fansite for a show that wasn't actually made (beyond a pilot) and the second being a personal page by someone. I'll be removing these as unreliable sources and restoring the BLP prod; please do not remove that tag without properly sourcing the core of the article. There is much talk about these unsourced BLPs and a major concern is that many will be adding trivial sources to {{rescue}} articles without properly sourcing them. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that issue. Happy editing, Jack Merridew 21:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Article history notes
edit- This article was created in February 2007. It appears that some of the biographical information that made its way into the article by July 2007 (currently edited out pending better sourcing, if it can be found) may have come from [5], an old angelfire site called the "Supermodel Webring" (Just the use of the term "webring" tells you this site started long ago).--Milowent (talk) 22:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Angelfire? not a reliable source; they let anyone edit there. ;) Jack Merridew 22:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm not saying it is, just digging. The web in 1996-97 was full of angelfire and geocities. In the vein of digging, this [6]March 2001 julia stiles fan forum post links and apparently quotes from Deutscher's NBC bio at that time: "Daniella Deutscher plays Julie Connor on Hang Time Saturdays on TNBC (10-10:30 a.m. ET) Born in Bozeman, Montana, Deutscher lived with her family in Holland and Australia before moving back to the U.S., where she grew up in Olympia, Washington." Unfortunately the link is no longer working.--Milowent (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I looked; the link on offer there is:
- and it just redirects to their main page, these days. But look at the URL: "bb", likely a bulletin board; "nbci" as in "interactive". I reiterate: sources that don't suck ;) Jack Merridew 22:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm glad you know all about what NBCi was back in 1998-2001, then.--Milowent (talk) 22:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- It's all integrated into their main properties, these days. ;) Jack Merridew 22:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm glad you know all about what NBCi was back in 1998-2001, then.--Milowent (talk) 22:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm not saying it is, just digging. The web in 1996-97 was full of angelfire and geocities. In the vein of digging, this [6]March 2001 julia stiles fan forum post links and apparently quotes from Deutscher's NBC bio at that time: "Daniella Deutscher plays Julie Connor on Hang Time Saturdays on TNBC (10-10:30 a.m. ET) Born in Bozeman, Montana, Deutscher lived with her family in Holland and Australia before moving back to the U.S., where she grew up in Olympia, Washington." Unfortunately the link is no longer working.--Milowent (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Angelfire? not a reliable source; they let anyone edit there. ;) Jack Merridew 22:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- ARrrrrG, web archeology crap ... megan parlen fan site in internet archive[7], "Megan and Daniella Deutscher were the only castmembers to appear in every episode during it's six season run."--Milowent (talk) 14:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)