Talk:Dara Torres/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 18:13, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:13, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

• "As a high school junior, she left home": can you give the year?

 Done Clarified that her junior year was 1983–84. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

• "She lowered her initial American record by 1.62 seconds. Torres has broken or lowered her own American record in the 50-meter freestyle ten times, which is the most by any American swimmer in any event": is uncited; can you give a reference? I think it would be OK to give a link to the progressive list of records, if that suffices for a reader to verify the statement.

 Done I've added an in-line footnote to USA Swimming's American record progression. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

• "Speedo, Toyota and Bloomberg LP": suggest linking these.

 Done Corporate sponsors now linked. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

• "was the first elite swimmer to appear in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue in 1994": suggest putting the year first, to avoid the misreading that this only refers to 1994.

 Done Tweaked text to clarify that she was the first elite swimmer to pose for the SI Swimsuit Issue, and appeared in the 1994 edition. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

• I see from a couple of reliable sources that there have been rumours about Torres using steroids, though nothing has been proved. E.g. in an article mostly about Jessica Hardy in the NYT on 7/25/08, I found this: "Doping questions have dogged Torres, who qualified for her fifth Olympics in two individual events and two relays after a six-year hiatus from the sport. // At the United States trials, Torres repeatedly addressed suspicions that she was using performance-enhancing drugs, describing herself as a “clean” athlete who has volunteered to have her blood and urine tested frequently. // The scrutiny that Torres has shouldered is being leveled on the woman who finished 0.57 of a second behind her." The only mention of this in the article is her volunteering to take drug tests. I imagine this is a controversial issue; can you say why you don't feel the rumours should be mentioned?

Discussion - Mike, my interpretation of current BLP policy is that Wikipedia does not include unsubstantiated rumors of alleged wrongdoing in BLP articles, regardless of whether such rumors were reported by The New York Times or the Daily Mirror. Given Torres' completely clean history, including such allegations in the Wikipedia article borders on perpetuating anonymous character assassination. I raised the issue at WP:BLP/N discussion board in late November 2014, and received consistent advice here. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the sources yet; will do that later. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Sources look good, and no sign of close paraphrasing. I'll place this on hold. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:29, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

• @Mike Christie: Please review my changes described above, and let me know if you have any additional reactions, suggestions, comments or questions. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

  All the changes look good; I'm passing this. The BLP discussion you linked to establishes a consensus for not mentioning the steroid charges, so that's fine; can I suggest you add a link to that discussion to the article talk page as a reference for any future editors who work on the article? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)