Talk:Darryl F. Zanuck

Legacy

The first paragraph in the legacy section is atrocious. There are no citations. It reads like an opinion post from a student blog, and a poorly written one at that. It should be deleted in its entirety.

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1934 (7th) The House of Rothschild[I] 20th Century, United Artists Darryl F. Zanuck, William Goetz, Raymond Griffith 1940 (13th) The Grapes of Wrath 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck, Nunnally Johnson 1937 (10th) In Old Chicago 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck, Kenneth MacGowan 1938 (11th) Alexander's Ragtime Band 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck, Harry Joe Brown 1932-1933 (6th) 42nd Street Warner Bros. Darryl F. Zanuck 1935 (8th) Les Misérables 20th Century, United Artists Darryl F. Zanuck 1941[C] (14th) How Green Was My Valley 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck 1944 (17th) Wilson 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck 1946 (19th) The Razor's Edge 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck 1947 (20th) Gentleman's Agreement 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck 1949 (22nd) Twelve O'Clock High 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck 1950 (23rd) All About Eve 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck received the most nominations in history (14 nominations, 6 awards)[5] 1962 (35th) The Longest Day 20th Century Fox Darryl F. Zanuck 1929-1930 (3rd) Disraeli Warner Bros. Jack Warner, Darryl Zanuck —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.91.1 (talk) 19:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Call for Contributors

As someone who teaches film, I have to say that this article is dreadful. One of the Founding Fathers of American entertainment gets 1/5 the space devoted to, say, Chef in South Park. It's becoming clear Wikipedia is going to mislead the students who rely on it not by getting facts wrong but by its imbalance. It's history seen through the eyes of a 20-something. Let's face it, they're the ones with the time to write, and the willingness to write for free. I hope somebody will work on this article. It won't be hard to write. There are whole libraries written about every phase of Zanuck's career. Zanuck pushed Warner Bros. into making the Jazz Singer, which ended silent film. 20th Century Fox was created for him as a reward for marrying Fox's daughter. The list of classic movies he made is staggering (I think the person posting above was trying to bring that out.) Zanuck's return from retirement to save 20th in the Sixties-- much like Clint Eastwood's aged gunslinger in The Unforgiven-- is legend. The spectacular battle between mogul father and producer son Richard Zanuck over Genevieve Gilles at the end of the Sixties, which tore apart 20th Century Fox, was equally epic. Zanuck stayed a figure in the popular imagination decades after the "studio system" died. There's oceans of research to draw from. Profhum (talk) 09:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

No filmography?

I've read a lot of Wikipedia biographies for actors, writers, directors, producers and this is the first one I've come across without a filmography. It's nice to see a list of his movies which were nominated for Academy Awards but it's more useful just to have a selected filmography of his most important work. Thank God for IMDb! 63.143.226.144 (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Tone

Is this quote below copied from a biography on Zanuck? It certainly doesn't sound encyclopedic. 90.229.193.208 (talk) 08:19, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

"From her Paris apartment, Gilles interviewed directors for her next script, written herself. Zanuck was never at the studio, seldom even in America. He seemed to have nothing on but more projects for Gilles. Quietly, eyeing a debt level whose interest they could hardly afford to pay, the nervous board members moved Richard to President and promoted his father to Chairman. Or, more accurately, kicked the old man upstairs, which is how Zanuck began to perceive it. When Gilles' contract came up for renewal, Richard—for the first time—had the power to cancel it, and he did. The stage was set for a showdown of Oedipus proportions."

Findagrave

The external link for Findagrave was removed from this article. Findagrave is a common external link for biography articles. I recommend re-adding the Findagrave to the external links. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 14:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

There is already a picture of the grave in the article so the link is not needed. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

There is more information in the Findagrave site then just the picture. For example, it contains genealogical information. The link is fairly standard on many Wikipedia articles. Why would it not be included in this one? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 14:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

See WP:ELNO. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Based on the criteria outlined in WP:ELNO, it supports including Findagrave template. In fact, these featured articles have the link: Marjory Stoneman Douglas and Emily Davison. There is much precedence for including it in External links. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 15:08, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The fact that other articles may include such a link doesn't make it appropriate here. (Also, could you please indent your posts?) Nikkimaria (talk) 15:21, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

However, you have not provided a good reason not to include it. The fact there is significant precedence to include it based on other existing articles is significant as it shows support from the community for using Findagrave in articles. FYI, I normally keep my comments aligned in a conversation, but will intent them on this one if you like. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

If you read WP:EL, "No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable according to this guideline and common sense. The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link." Nikkimaria (talk) 15:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

As mentioned above, the justification is that it provides information of possible interest to users of Wikipedia, such as genealogical information. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Which is user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:17, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

As WP:EL, points out, "Links to be considered" are "Sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources", combined with the fact that it is an, "Open wiki with a substantial history of stability and substantial number of editors." Findagrave provides specific genealogical information that is not found elsewhere, thus is appropriate for including. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 17:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

What specific genealogical information are you referring to, and what leads you to suggest the sources are "knowledgeable"? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Genealogical with respect to family information, and knowledgeable, because the researchers in Findagrave are recording information in front of them at the memorials. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)