Talk:Datsun/Archives/2012

Purpose of name 'Datsun'

I suspect 'Datsun' was used in 'the West', as I'm fairly sure Nissans were badged Datsun in the UK and Europe as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.25.234 (talk • contribs) 05:34, March 19, 2006

Yes they were! in the Complete Encyclopedia of Motorcars 1885 to the Present by GN Georgano most of the models that were badged as Datsun are refered to as Datsun and the ones Nissan, as Nissan. However this page should be deleated asnd just redirected to Nissan nowXljesus 13:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually the Datsun brand name was used everywhere. It was one of the first Japanese brand names, and only later used "in the West". So to say it was created "in order to sell its automobiles in North America, Europe, Africa, Australia, and New Zealand" is inaccurate. --Ddgonzal 17:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone take a look at the recent Intro addition claiming the Dat"son" to Dat"sun" change was also done to honor the sun on the Japanese flag. I wonder if the linked reference supports this claim, because the ref existed prior to the addition. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 14:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please do not redirect.

Datsun has a long and seperate history from Nissan. It would be best served to have its own article which I am currently in the process of writing. I do not believe it is appropriate to upload it until I have at least completed a rough body, so please do not redirect for the time being. If signifigant time has passed since I have placed this note, something may have come up, and I request that anyone notify me before or when they make a redirect.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 01:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, though not for the reasons below (there were no Datsuns without a JDM Nissan counterpart). Datsun deserves a complete article as much as Infiniti or Acura do. How is the article coming? It's been a while. — AKADriver ☎ 18:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It would probably serve much better to expand the article with the appropriate information. Datsun has a history that diverges from Nissan's several times over its existence. --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 05:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

How does the history of the Datsun brand name diverge "from Nissan's several times over its existence"? Nissan was Datsun. --Ddgonzal 09:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Downplayed Use of Nissan Name in America?

The quotes from Katayama support the idea he was against changing the Datsun car brand to Nissan brand -- as were many Nissan employees (after all, Datsun was a very successful brand name both in American and in Japan). But there are no quotations to support the idea that "Nissan" would not be accepted by Americans. Do you have any direct quotations to support that idea? In fact, the documentation, brochures, ads, US sales company name, etc. all used the name Nissan from the beginning (1958/1959). The cars said Nissan under the hood and on the door post. I see no evidence that Nissan ever tried to downplay the name Nissan in America. - Ddgonzal 07:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Datsun vehicles sold as Nissan (non-Datsun)?

As far as I know some cars which were sold in Europe as Datsun have never been sold as Nissan.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 13.16.137.11 (talk • contribs) 01:04, April 24, 2006

Yes, that is definitely true.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen a right hand drive Nissan 280Z, the original style from before the harder edged redesign. It obviously had to have been grey market imported into the USA. It was a bit of a double-take as it was right around the changeover years from Datsun to Nissan in the USA when I saw the car. How long did Nissan market the 280Z as a Nissan in Japan instead of a Datsun before the worldwide switch to Nissan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 July 2007

You may be thinking of the Datsun 280ZX, which came after the Datsun 280Z but before the hard-edged Nissan 300ZX. The 280ZX was the model during the brand-name transition and (per the Nissan 280ZX article) came with both Nissan and Datsun "co-branding". - Ddgonzal 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Remember that during the transition period of changing all Datsun-branded models to Nissan-branded, some models were Datsun in some countries and Nissan in other. And co-branded as Nissan-Datsun for a period of time. The more interesting question is: prior to this period, was it generally worldwide consistent, did Nissan use only the Datsun name or Nissan name for a specific model line? Or did they ever use the Datsun name in one market while the same model in Japan used no Datsun badging or marketing? - Ddgonzal 19:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The "Datsun by Nissan" co-branding only occured during the time of the 280ZX (79-83) to my knowledge. Mr. K retired from Nissan Motors around this time, and I suspect that they chose to make the change then.--The Founders Intent 18:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Brand protection

One of the reasons the Datsun brand was used in America was to protect the Nissan brand in the event of their cars not being accepted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjmcallister (talk • contribs) 11:12, July 14, 2006

Consider that the very same vehicles were already being sold in Japan as "Datsuns" (1958/1959 Datsun 110 and pickup). So this supposition doesn't seem very likely. Instead isn't it more reasonable they were marketed as "Datsun" in America because it was a strong brand name already being used for these cars? Datsun was the most successful brand of cars in Japan at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddgonzal (talk • contribs) 09:40, February 9, 2007

Usage of Datsun Today

The following sentence from the article is confusing. "The brand Datsun is no longer used, though still memorable in Japan and used on Nissan's line of pickups there." Does it mean that Nissan's pickups are still Datsuns in Japan? If so, the beginning of the sentence doesn't make sense. It should read something like "Datsun is no longer used as a car marque, but it is used on pickup trucks in Japan." Can anyone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buttyboy (talk • contribs) 14:14, November 21, 2006

"Still used on Nissan's line of pickups there" is not accurate. For one year, Nissan marketed a specific pickup model (not all their pickups) in Japan with the name Datsun on the tailgate. There is a picture of it here: http://history.nissan.co.jp/DATSUN/TRUCK/D22/0105/ Produced: May 2001 until October 2002. No longer produced. This was the Nissan D22 pickup, which (I think) was marketed in USA as "Frontier". - Ddgonzal 07:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

stereotyping

In australia, datsun vehicles are seen as derelict and worthless, and Datsun is used as a mild insult toward a vehicle. Is this true in other nations? And should we post a paragraph about the ridicule of the brand? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steamrunner (talk • contribs) 02:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Do you have any magazine or newspaper sources to corroborate this? I know many Aussies, and have never heard about this usage. It seems many Datsuns are still on the road down under, not uncommon to find in serviceable condition in used car lots, and well loved by their owners. Not bad for cars 25 years old or older. - Ddgonzal 07:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I think steamrunner's comment may have been a bit harsh, however, to some degree this stereotype does exist in Australia. However, the stereotype of the Datsun as being akin to the automotive lemon has lost prevalence over the last two decades due to the brand not being used since the mid 1980's. I don't have any documentation to back this up, and am not making any judgement as to whether it is relevant enough to include in the article. Tinkstar1985 05:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

They had a reputation as dull, boring cars when they arrived in Britain in the early 70s, bought by middle aged people who put reliability before performance and character. Subsequently they became very popular with the Asian (Indian/Pakistani) community, and plump middle aged Asian women driving a Datsun Sunny slowly in the middle of the road became a common stereotype. There are almost no Datsuns left on UK roads today, as the damp British climate caused them to corrode badly (most Japanese cars of the period suffered the same fate). --80.176.142.11 (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

What about the Datsun Insult? A fine car, well known in Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.109.64.234 (talk) 12:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Nissan Urvan

I have an old Urvan as a farm vehicle, though we have had it since new back in the 1980s. The exterior is silver with a mostly purple/blue decal/pinstripe running the length of the body. It seats nine (in 3 rows of 3), and has the original tan fabric interior. It looks nothing like any of the Nissan Caravans featured in the Nissan Caravan article.

When we bought it the dealership was changing over from being called Datsun, to Nissan, but the vehicle is badged as a Nissan Urvan.

I have found these three other articles (Datsun Urvan, Nissan Vanette and Nissan Van C22 (Vanette)), but I am unsure of the connections between the different car models. The latter two articles are up for merge.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, in clearing up the confusion/making the articles clearer.

I've also included this post on the Nissan Caravan discussion page Tinkstar1985 05:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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Rebranding

I have never heard this one about the dachshund breed being confused with Datsun or any humor to that effect. I think that portion of the article should be removed until real proof can be provided.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 16:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

=== This is a note from a reader of this page. Thank you for your work on maintaining this information, which I found interesting. I would recommend some substantial work on tightening up the prose, which wanders somewhat and is less well organized than some other wikipedia entries. Sorry I'm too busy to contribute actual work but just wanted to offer encouragement. I remember my old Datsun fondly. // ch in vt

Clubs

Are clubs suitable for external links? I mean aren't external links in Wikipedia suppose to be educational? --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^PRAISE 12:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Referencing needs to be fixed

This is Wikipedia, not an MLA-style college paper. The citations need to be converted to the Wikipedia style. I'll do it myself if no one else gets to it first.Kuahmel (talk) 07:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Where does the name Nissan come from?

There is plenty of information in this article concerning the change from the Datsun name to Nissan. And that's good information. But this article never makes clear the beginnings of the Nissan name. I think this would be useful on this page since much of the page is about the change in names. I had to go to the Nissan page to find out when and where the Nissan name came from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by My original username (talk • contribs) 16:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)