Talk:David Davis (footballer)/GA1

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Reviewer: JerrySa1 (talk · contribs) 21:35, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

I'll take up this article. JerrySa1 (talk) 21:35, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Overall, pretty good with a few possible issues.

• 1 dead link per http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=David_Davis_%28footballer%29.
  • The dead link thing was a bit odd. Physically clicking on it took me to the amended url; I'd expect the link-checker to have been able to do the same. Fixed it, anyway.
• "variously reported as "approaching £100,000", around £100,000"," why is "£100,000" used twice?
  • Reworded as approaching or around £100,000 without the quote marks. It's unusual for there to be such a variety of estimates for an undisclosed fee.
• "When Davis and other youngsters signed new deals in 2011", why is "youngsters" used?
  • At the time referred to, Davis had just passed his 20th birthday and the "other youngsters" were 19 or 20. It's a word commonly used for a footballer of that age as an alternative to "young players": see e.g. Sky Sports' "Top 10 Premier League youngsters", defined as 21 or under; BBC's "Liverpool youngster", a 19-year-old; and in prose rather than headline, The Independent, The Guardian, etc
• "Davis was one of several players dropped", specify how much is several.
  • done
• "suggested that the player had fallen so far down the pecking order", replace the words "pecking order."
  • reworded: "suggested that, as there were at least four players more likely than Davis to be selected, a loan move would be best"
• "was perhaps too keen to impress when coming as a substitute." Use a more neutral tone.
  • attributed: "Rowett thought that his anxiety to regain his place in the team made him try too hard when coming on as a substitute"

More on the way. JerrySa1 (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

• "did as well as can be expected from a 19-year-old pitched into a team in freefall"

The fact that Wasall was near relegation was not mentioned outside this quote.

• added new half-sentence: He played the whole of Walsall's six matches during his initial month, apart from the last 15 minutes against Swindon Town when he was stretchered off with an injured ankle. The first five of those six – four losses and a draw – saw Walsall drop from 13th place to bottom of the table, and, again according to the Mail, Davis "did as well as can be expected from a 19-year-old pitched into a team in freefall"

• "loan was extended, with the inclusion of a 24-hour recall clause which was invoked after just one more game."

Wording is pretty confusing, also needs source.

• reworded: "The loan was extended for another month, but because Wolves had injury problems, manager Mick McCarthy included a clause allowing them to recall him at 24 hours notice if they needed him. Davis played just once more for Walsall before he was recalled.", with additional sources

• "had hoped to keep Davis for the whole season, for reasons both footballing and budgetary"

Explain.

• reworded: "had hoped to keep Davis and two other loanees for the whole season, because they had all performed well and he had no budget to add to the squad", and added a quote from the offline source to the.citation.

Notify me after your break that you have returned. I may make a couple of small edits during that time. JerrySa1 (talk) 22:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

@JerrySa1: have responded to your latest points. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:51, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

• "He fell out of favour the following season, and left for West Midlands neighbours Birmingham City in August 2014." Unclear, both are in West Midlands.

• Not sure what's unclear: "West Midlands neighbours" says that both his new and his former club are in the West Midlands?

• "His older brother, Dion Scott, played as a defender in the Football League for Walsall and Kidderminster Harriers." Brother played in many different leagues as well as the Football League. Also, it's a one sentence paragraph.

• Two sentences, to be fair: one about his birthplace and the second about his brother. I'd hoped to be able to find out more, but English reliable sources tend not to cover the personal lives of lower-profile players such as Mr Davis in any detail. I agree that Mr Scott played in many other leagues, but it's a question of where to draw the line; playing in the Football League makes him notable as a footballer, so it's a fact worth including in an article about his footballing brother, but detail about Scott's career surely belongs in Scott's article?

• "In a 5–2 defeat at Chesterfield, he was used as the defensive organiser in a five-man midfield, "sat in front of the back four and barked out orders", but "his passing left a lot to be desired"..." Confusing wording.

• rephrased slightly, added attribution and linked five-man midfield to the formation in which the team were playing: In a 5–2 defeat at Chesterfield, he was used as the defensive organiser in a five-man midfield: the Echo's reporter described how he "sat in front of the back four and barked out orders" but thought his passing "left a lot to be desired".

JerrySa1 (talk) 01:56, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

@JerrySa1: I'm back, and have responded to your latest points. Thank you for trying to fix some stuff yourself, but I'm afraid I've undone your changes. The prospect of a Wembley final is what Mr Davis commented on missing out on: to have the opportunity to play at Wembley, in the national stadium, is still a big thing in English football. And it wasn't "the league final" – there are no league finals in the higher levels of English football – but the final of the Football League Trophy, a cup competition. In case that wasn't clear, I've put a small explanation earlier in the paragraph where the context is established. As to cramp, in British English, someone suffers "cramp", not "a cramp": see e.g. BBC: "What gives you cramp?", Independent: "When Raphael Guerreiro went down with cramp". Again, thank you for taking the time to review the article. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Passing the article. JerrySa1 (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)