Talk:David Thomson (Labor Party politician)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Both moved per Necrothesp's proposal. The articles are now at David Thomson (Labor Party politician) and David Thomson (National Party politician). People agree that the former disambiguation was awkward, and Necrothesp's idea has the most supporters. There wasn't unanimity on whether 'Australian' was helpful. EdJohnston (talk) 02:05, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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• David Thomson (politician born 1856) → David Alexander Thompson
• David Thomson (politician born 1924) → David Scott Thomson

– Target titles provide more direct disambiguation - adding middle names removes the requirement for further (parenthetical) disambiguation (not to mention the extra-additional-still further disambiguation of birth year) Blueboar (talk) 23:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Question Hi Blueboar, normally we given priority to WP:COMMONNAME over non-parenthetic disambiguation, can you link to policy/guideline suggesting we give priority to natural disambiguation over WP:COMMONNAME? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I would say that the deciding policy point for this move request (at least for me) is the principle of Conciseness. This is explained in the WP:AT policy as: "The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.". In these two cases, using the middle name to disambiguate is simply more concise than disambiguating by the somewhat cumbersome parenthetical (with occupation and birth date). Blueboar (talk) 02:31, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Personally, I'm all in favour of natural disambiguation. Toying with COMMONNAME for a moment, if we know the full names then by definition at least one source apiece uses them, whilst I'm fairly sure that zero sources call them "David Thomson (politician born 1856)" &c :-) bobrayner (talk) 00:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support'. If anyone searches "David Thomson" regardless whether there is renaming, it will still come to a disambiguation page. However, anyone searching by birth year is unlikely as compared to searching with middle name, mainly becasue hardly anyone remembers the birth year, but more likely to remember full name. Therfore support renaming for concise. Marcnut1996 (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
• Move to David Thomson (Labor Party politician) and David Thomson (National Party politician). By far the best disambiguation and the one we commonly use. Middle names are not standard forms of disambiguation if they're not commonly used. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I've got no real opinion on this one, but for this option I would think (Australian Labor politician) and (Australian National politician) would be better. Frickeg (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Any of these would be fine with me. Blueboar (talk) 00:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Frickeg's suggestion is fine with me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose: unless "Alexander" and "Scott" was part of their respective WP:COMMONNAME. Support Necrothesp's proposal, as being better than Frickeg's; "Australian" doesn't add any disambiguation. HandsomeFella (talk) 11:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.