Talk:Daylight saving time

Permanent daylight saving time

The information in the United States area of this subsection is outdated and should be edited. Elsewhere on this page it was mentioned that the United States will be going into permanent DST in November 2023, Should this should be reiterated here and should the outdated information be removed? 209.160.133.10 (talk) 19:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

That's not what the article says. The article says "in 2022, the U.S. Senate unanimously approved a bill to make DST permanent, starting November 2023." As of today, the bill has not been passed by the House of Representatives. So it is appropriate that the bill is discussed in the politics section of the article. If and when it passes the House and is signed by the president it can be described in other parts of the article. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

In the Permanent daylight savings time subsection it discusses the different bills, proposals, and commissions different U.S. states have put forward that would need Congressional approval to take effect, is this still applicable? What has happened or will happen to the individual states' efforts? Should this be expanded upon or updated in this subsection? 209.160.133.10 (talk) 18:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

No - for the stuff about the US, anything other than a quick summary belongs in Permanent time observation in the United States, to which Permanent daylight saving time in the United States redirects. Guy Harris (talk) 06:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

• Separate question: is it noteworthy there was something called "dekretnoye vremya", literally "decree time", in USSR? Point is, it was one a "permanent daylight saving" measure back then - apart from additional "summer time" shift. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Morocco

Article states that, during Ramadan, Morocco's "civil clocks observe Western European Time (UTC+00:00, which geographically overlaps most of the nation)". That doesn't seem a helpful wording: UTC is solar time at 0deg, so I'd argue that the concept of 'overlapping with a timezone' doesn't make much sense. In fact, the whole of Morocco is west of 0deg .. and the country is anyway UTC+1 for most of the year. The article does not make it clear why being in an 'overlapping' timezone during Ramadan and UTC+1 the rest of the time makes sense / has been decided. 196.74.106.3 (talk) 13:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Agree, Morocco just keeps its own Morocco time at UTC+ 1 and 'Ramadan time' UTC +0. Unsure how to deal with that though. Ex nihil ^(talk) 14:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Greenland

Greenland no longer observes DST. Also, West Greenland have moved from UTC-3 to UTC-2 permanently.

Primary source: Government of Greenland (in Danish) [1]https://naalakkersuisut.gl/Nyheder/2023/03/2403_sommertid?sc_lang=da and (In Greenlandic) [2]https://naalakkersuisut.gl/Nyheder/2023/03/2403_sommertid?sc_lang=kl-GL

Other sources: [3]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-24/greenland-keeps-daylight-saving-time-permanently-changing-its-time-zone#xj4y7vzkg [4]https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/greenland-change-timezone.html [5]https://visitgreenland.com/new-time-zone/ ThatGuyOnline (talk) 16:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

An idea for a section: obsoleteness

I think the article needs a paragraph on how obsolete the daylight saving is in XXI century, compared to XIX-XX century of industrialization.

The reason is simple: almost every village has lampposts.

This way, the article will reflect the modern opposition of daylight saving shifts. However, it will also reflect how daylight saving had to exist in the world, where electric lamps were stil a novelty and not something taken for granted. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:19, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Detractors

This article is biased. It has specific paragraphs for Proponents of DST, but none for Detractors of DST. A balanced article should have reference to both, one closely following the other. Given the references to ill health, economic disruption, social disruption and more, the research cited suggests there would be more detractors than proponents. Why no mention of them? 2604:3D09:679:4620:8B3:1A88:A81D:104D (talk) 15:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)